greens during winter

lettuce chopped in half sprinkled with salt, half cocks, half for hens wedged in those wire topped feeders and hardly any left after a few hours. Same with broccoli now and again, to be honest never tried through racing months but might do 2022.
Used to grow cress on the windowsills in margarine tubs but that was gone in seconds. Not sure of benefits but helps stop them getting bored during these winter days confined to shed.

always made my rabbits have diarrhoea too much greens ...... whats the droppings like colin ?

barnie wrote:

lettuce chopped in half sprinkled with salt, half cocks, half for hens wedged in those wire topped feeders and hardly any left after a few hours. Same with broccoli now and again, to be honest never tried through racing months but might do 2022.
Used to grow cress on the windowsills in margarine tubs but that was gone in seconds. Not sure of benefits but helps stop them getting bored during these winter days confined to shed.

Always been rather a bit lazy here I'm in that area etc Colin Never minded thou putting a small spoon full of iodised salt in their drinking trough here at times at feed time.

David wrote:

always made my rabbits have diarrhoea too much greens ......  whats the droppings like colin ?

look fine david but its dark mostly when I get to birds, will try remember some photos if I get a day off

Knackered wrote:

barnie wrote:

lettuce chopped in half sprinkled with salt, half cocks, half for hens wedged in those wire topped feeders and hardly any left after a few hours. Same with broccoli now and again, to be honest never tried through racing months but might do 2022.
Used to grow cress on the windowsills in margarine tubs but that was gone in seconds. Not sure of benefits but helps stop them getting bored during these winter days confined to shed.

Always been rather a bit lazy here I'm in that area etc Colin Never minded thou putting a small spoon full of iodised salt in their drinking trough here at times at feed time.

yes I think the salt gives the lettuce added attraction, maybe that'd the reason theyre so keen, not so much the green leaves but the salt attraction knackered ?

barnie wrote:

Knackered wrote:

barnie wrote:

lettuce chopped in half sprinkled with salt, half cocks, half for hens wedged in those wire topped feeders and hardly any left after a few hours. Same with broccoli now and again, to be honest never tried through racing months but might do 2022.
Used to grow cress on the windowsills in margarine tubs but that was gone in seconds. Not sure of benefits but helps stop them getting bored during these winter days confined to shed.

Always been rather a bit lazy here I'm in that area etc Colin Never minded thou putting a small spoon full of iodised salt in their drinking trough here at times at feed time.

yes I think the salt gives the lettuce added attraction, maybe that'd the reason theyre so keen, not so much the green leaves but the salt attraction knackered ?

Suspect you may be some how right Colin would never say never type of thing with the greens scenario thou one of those feel good type moments maybe on average, that suggests on the history of life & if one is willing, it could just do more good than harm I suggest .
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I have been puting sprouts in their feed and they really like it. I sprout half lentil beans and half mung beans. Just gives them a burst of nutrishion!

Good to see things going on nicely poloma.

Worst thing for pigeons giving them eveything under the sun.

Just consider nature, not commercialism and old wives tails.

Some of the most successful fanciers whose pigeons won up to 6 and eight years old had nothing but beans and others just plain other types of corn.

Was only when the commercial boys realised they could and have conned the sport that everything went downhill.

Also a pigeon if  happy it will fly as well to a dog kennel as a palacial loft.       
If some fanciers give all they recommend then I feel sorry for both fancier and more so for the pigeon.

You have the Google to obtain all the information relative to a pigeons natural needs and not related to our sport for commercial purposes.

The present day racing pigeons are far less healthy than those of 50 or more years ago and purely and simply by abuse of every department involved.

Keep as close to nature as possible paloma, birds fly thousands of miles every year, some not a year old and never visit a chemist nor a vet for advice.

Regards.

paloma blanca wrote:

I have been puting sprouts in their feed and they really like it. I sprout half lentil beans and half mung beans. Just gives them a burst of nutrishion!

hi Mike, been a while!

good to see you racing now, saw your 5th place earlier in year, and then your win on a hard day, you're doing fine in a short while with good returns, walk before you can run and congratulations.

MISTY wrote:

Good to see things going on nicely poloma.

Worst thing for pigeons giving them eveything under the sun.

Just consider nature, not commercialism and old wives tails.

Some of the most successful fanciers whose pigeons won up to 6 and eight years old had nothing but beans and others just plain other types of corn.

Was only when the commercial boys realised they could and have conned the sport that everything went downhill.

Also a pigeon if  happy it will fly as well to a dog kennel as a palacial loft.       
If some fanciers give all they recommend then I feel sorry for both fancier and more so for the pigeon.

You have the Google to obtain all the information relative to a pigeons natural needs and not related to our sport for commercial purposes.

The present day racing pigeons are far less healthy than those of 50 or more years ago and purely and simply by abuse of every department involved.

Keep as close to nature as possible paloma, birds fly thousands of miles every year, some not a year old and never visit a chemist nor a vet for advice.

Regards.

Maybe your right there etc Misty But all part of the learning curve scenario in a pigeon sense, one could perhaps suggest. Plain feed, plain water & few would pass the test     now or even in the past etc if honest & put to the test somehow I suggest.

barnie wrote:

paloma blanca wrote:

I have been puting sprouts in their feed and they really like it. I sprout half lentil beans and half mung beans. Just gives them a burst of nutrishion!

hi Mike, been a while!

good to see you racing now, saw your 5th place earlier in year, and then your win on a hard day, you're doing fine in a short while with good returns, walk before you can run and congratulations.

HI. Colin.

Yes it's been a long time but I used everything you taught me and it helped me so much. I did well on my first racing season and it could be beginers luck but it did try very hard with the training. It was nice working with the young birds so closely

Congratulations paloma on a good seaon.

Do you have the same health problems as we do here?.

Vacination, YBS, Canker, being our main concerns.

If so do you treat regulary or when the problem is obvious?

We have about 200 aids to win, have they reached your kneck of the woods yet?.

Is the sport there growing and are young members taking it up.

Is it  reasonably costly for  a youngster to start up ?.

Have you a Ruling Body like our RPRA ?.

Unforetunately, in the desperate attempts to win over the  past 50 years the vast majority of our pigeons are drug dependant and many do not perform after the yearling stage, they win but at what cost ?. 

The numbers of actual participating fanciers here has fallen drastically, many are members of the RPRA but do not race.

How many members are in your club and how many are youngsters.

Just food for thought paloma.

China and several other countries appear to be thriving in our sport according to the prices they are  paying for pigeons.


Regards.

paloma blanca wrote:

barnie wrote:

paloma blanca wrote:

I have been puting sprouts in their feed and they really like it. I sprout half lentil beans and half mung beans. Just gives them a burst of nutrishion!

hi Mike, been a while!

good to see you racing now, saw your 5th place earlier in year, and then your win on a hard day, you're doing fine in a short while with good returns, walk before you can run and congratulations.

HI. Colin.

Yes it's been a long time but I used everything you taught me and it helped me so much. I did well on my first racing season and it could be beginers luck but it did try very hard with the training. It was nice working with the young birds so closely  

I see you took the first 4 places one week, top bombing pal, seasoned fanciers would be pleased with that result, as long as you enjoy the sport and like to see your birds flying around your yard, best wishes for the future!

MISTY wrote:

Congratulations paloma on a good seaon.

Do you have the same health problems as we do here?.

Vacination, YBS, Canker, being our main concerns.

If so do you treat regulary or when the problem is obvious?

We have about 200 aids to win, have they reached your kneck of the woods yet?.

Is the sport there growing and are young members taking it up.

Is it  reasonably costly for  a youngster to start up ?.

Have you a Ruling Body like our RPRA ?.

Unforetunately, in the desperate attempts to win over the  past 50 years the vast majority of our pigeons are drug dependant and many do not perform after the yearling stage, they win but at what cost ?. 

The numbers of actual participating fanciers here has fallen drastically, many are members of the RPRA but do not race.

How many members are in your club and how many are youngsters.

Just food for thought paloma.

China and several other countries appear to be thriving in our sport according to the prices they are  paying for pigeons.


Regards.

200 aids talk about, maybe being out of tune Misty with the modern age of today etc. Without thinking here in a pigeon  sense I could name 2000 odd easy, easy .

MISTY wrote:

Congratulations paloma on a good seaon.

Do you have the same health problems as we do here?.

Vacination, YBS, Canker, being our main concerns.

If so do you treat regulary or when the problem is obvious?

We have about 200 aids to win, have they reached your kneck of the woods yet?.

Is the sport there growing and are young members taking it up.

Is it  reasonably costly for  a youngster to start up ?.

Have you a Ruling Body like our RPRA ?.

Unforetunately, in the desperate attempts to win over the  past 50 years the vast majority of our pigeons are drug dependant and many do not perform after the yearling stage, they win but at what cost ?. 

The numbers of actual participating fanciers here has fallen drastically, many are members of the RPRA but do not race.

How many members are in your club and how many are youngsters.

Just food for thought paloma.

China and several other countries appear to be thriving in our sport according to the prices they are  paying for pigeons.


Regards.

I didn't vacinate any of the pigeons and the only medicine I use is for worming. I have over 200 pigeons and have never had a sick one. I feed really healthy food but the bigest part of it is I don't inbreed. I been raising animals since I was a child and there was always a problem when inbreeding happened. The bigest thing I see with pigeons and inbreeding in their weakened immune system.
It does seem that there is more involvement in racing clubs lately. The American pigeon racing union (AU) ran out of leg bands this year in late spring!
It is very expensive to get into the sport, Just the clock alone will run over $1000
I personally have been responsible for getting about 6 people into the sport.
their are about 9 lofts that I race against. so the season starts with about 250 young pigeons and ends with about 90. Check out this video and tell me what you think.

Thanks paloma, enjoyed it very much.

Would be beyond me to keep so many pigeons healthy from so many different places, would be impossible here, immune systems ruined.

I have kept numerous different animals all my life, kept as near to nature as possible and had very few health problems with any.

Never kept more than 50 pigeons at any one time, never had health problems.

In the early days club memberships were into the 60s, ours had to have a six bird limit one time due to transporter limits.

To a certain extent  I agree regarding in breeding, but only if it goes too far.

Glad to see you do not chase them around clearing the droppings everyday, I think the droppings aid a good immune system, from nest to the rest, think anyone  using clinical conditions cannot have naturally healthy pigeons.

All in all enjoyed it very much, thanks.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Thanks paloma, enjoyed it very much.

Would be beyond me to keep so many pigeons healthy from so many different places, would be impossible here, immune systems ruined.

I have kept numerous different animals all my life, kept as near to nature as possible and had very few health problems with any.

Never kept more than 50 pigeons at any one time, never had health problems.

In the early days club memberships were into the 60s, ours had to have a six bird limit one time due to transporter limits.

To a certain extent  I agree regarding in breeding, but only if it goes too far.

Glad to see you do not chase them around clearing the droppings everyday, I think the droppings aid a good immune system, from nest to the rest, think anyone  using clinical conditions cannot have naturally healthy pigeons.

All in all enjoyed it very much, thanks.

Regards.

What do I think Paloma I think many things here etc about your efforts in videoing your first race experiences as such. First one thank god for Benzing etc being where you are compared to your fellow club mates there apparently. Many here watching would think I suspect you must be utterly crazy doing what you do there now to race your pigeons in a local sense for the simple enjoyment factor scenario compared to how they can be down there club more times than not in a few minutes type of thing on basket night & race day. Trapping requires some work some what I suggest but don't worry I say, as I once in a 80 odd mile toss here had 100 odd pigeons flying around the roof an hour after the first one was first sighted because of the local hawks with not one in the loft as such Now next bit a bit of scientific type talk etc with that bird of yours there with the one eyed cold issue apparently. Next time you happen to come across it simply spit in it's eye maybe or even drop a few drops of home made Colloidal Silver in it & you may just save yourself some hard earned money there I suggest/suspect. End of the day I could talk for hours here about your first race type experience there via your videos but I wont, except to say Well Done, a 100 times over, as it was just a wonderful few minutes of grass roots pigeon type waffle from your end there from my perspective here that I found thoroughly enjoyable down here on my little patch in a a pigeon type sense .

Many here watching would think I suspect you must be utterly crazy doing what you do there now to race your pigeons in a local sense for the simple enjoyment factor scenario compared to how they can be down there club more times than not in a few minutes type of thing on basket night & race day. Trapping requires some work some what I suggest but don't worry I say, as I once in a 80 odd mile toss here had 100 odd pigeons flying around the roof an hour after the first one was first sighted

(Not sure what most of this means Knackered)

paloma blanca wrote:

Many here watching would think I suspect you must be utterly crazy doing what you do there now to race your pigeons in a local sense for the simple enjoyment factor scenario compared to how they can be down there club more times than not in a few minutes type of thing on basket night & race day. Trapping requires some work some what I suggest but don't worry I say, as I once in a 80 odd mile toss here had 100 odd pigeons flying around the roof an hour after the first one was first sighted

(Not sure what most of this means Knackered)

that's Ok etc Paloma I understand, I truly do     I confuse myself here most days I'm Now, Being confused there some what apparently with the crazy bit scenario I mentioned. All that is is you have wisely joined a club of crazy types now (by general public standards) who race feral rats as such for the sheer enjoyment factor On the trapping side issue as displayed, as seen 2/3 lines can be taken from my perspective here, bad luck on your side with your hawk issue, bad management maybe on your behalf there or maybe your birds are simply telling you in their own way     they are not completely knackered when they arrive home come race day & still have many more miles left in them fortunately type of thing, if somehow looking into the future. Now being a handy man type could I maybe suggest you perhaps build a hawk trap there & put it to good use as such & if that all fails for some reason maybe use a Rittenhouse type special      which I guarantee will work 100% with your hawk/falcon issue problem there I suspect     Finely     Using a Benzing there as you do, which as you mentioned cost around a 1000 odd dollars. Chicken feed scenario, could I perhaps suggest     on average, when considering the many different type benefits it gives you now compared to if you somehow had to use an old manual type clock there come race day like many still do these days in many different areas.
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Knackered wrote:

paloma blanca wrote:

Many here watching would think I suspect you must be utterly crazy doing what you do there now to race your pigeons in a local sense for the simple enjoyment factor scenario compared to how they can be down there club more times than not in a few minutes type of thing on basket night & race day. Trapping requires some work some what I suggest but don't worry I say, as I once in a 80 odd mile toss here had 100 odd pigeons flying around the roof an hour after the first one was first sighted

(Not sure what most of this means Knackered)

that's Ok etc Paloma I understand, I truly do     I confuse myself here most days I'm Now, Being confused there some what apparently with the crazy bit scenario I mentioned. All that is is you have wisely joined a club of crazy types now (by general public standards) who race feral rats as such for the sheer enjoyment factor On the trapping side issue as displayed, as seen 2/3 lines can be taken from my perspective here, bad luck on your side with your hawk issue, bad management maybe on your behalf there or maybe your birds are simply telling you in their own way     they are not completely knackered when they arrive home come race day & still have many more miles left in them fortunately type of thing, if somehow looking into the future. Now being a handy man type could I maybe suggest you perhaps build a hawk trap there & put it to good use as such & if that all fails for some reason maybe use a Rittenhouse type special      which I guarantee will work 100% with your hawk/falcon issue problem there I suspect     Finely     Using a Benzing there as you do, which as you mentioned cost around a 1000 odd dollars. Chicken feed scenario, could I perhaps suggest     on average, when considering the many different type benefits it gives you now compared to if you somehow had to use an old manual type clock there come race day like many still do these days in many different areas.
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It's true, people who arn't into the pigeon hobby or pigeon racing tend to think we are crazy! They just can't see the fun in it nor the chalenge. The Benzing is a requirement for our club. Everyone has to have the same one, but I do like it a lot and it's fun to use it during training also.Believe it or not it's ilegal to trap or shoot birds of prey in this country. $5000 fine so I hope nobody is watching me to closely.
I'm just not used to the word order you use so once in a while I might ask you to clarify something my friend.

paloma blanca wrote:

Knackered wrote:

paloma blanca wrote:

Many here watching would think I suspect you must be utterly crazy doing what you do there now to race your pigeons in a local sense for the simple enjoyment factor scenario compared to how they can be down there club more times than not in a few minutes type of thing on basket night & race day. Trapping requires some work some what I suggest but don't worry I say, as I once in a 80 odd mile toss here had 100 odd pigeons flying around the roof an hour after the first one was first sighted

(Not sure what most of this means Knackered)

that's Ok etc Paloma I understand, I truly do     I confuse myself here most days I'm Now, Being confused there some what apparently with the crazy bit scenario I mentioned. All that is is you have wisely joined a club of crazy types now (by general public standards) who race feral rats as such for the sheer enjoyment factor On the trapping side issue as displayed, as seen 2/3 lines can be taken from my perspective here, bad luck on your side with your hawk issue, bad management maybe on your behalf there or maybe your birds are simply telling you in their own way     they are not completely knackered when they arrive home come race day & still have many more miles left in them fortunately type of thing, if somehow looking into the future. Now being a handy man type could I maybe suggest you perhaps build a hawk trap there & put it to good use as such & if that all fails for some reason maybe use a Rittenhouse type special      which I guarantee will work 100% with your hawk/falcon issue problem there I suspect     Finely     Using a Benzing there as you do, which as you mentioned cost around a 1000 odd dollars. Chicken feed scenario, could I perhaps suggest     on average, when considering the many different type benefits it gives you now compared to if you somehow had to use an old manual type clock there come race day like many still do these days in many different areas.
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It's true, people who arn't into the pigeon hobby or pigeon racing tend to think we are crazy! They just can't see the fun in it nor the chalenge. The Benzing is a requirement for our club. Everyone has to have the same one, but I do like it a lot and it's fun to use it during training also.Believe it or not it's ilegal to trap or shoot birds of prey in this country. $5000 fine so I hope nobody is watching me to closely.
I'm just not used to the word order you use so once in a while I might ask you to clarify something my friend.

Laws are laws as one could say Paloma But sometimes & I suspect somehow David will maybe back me up here, the law is a total ass type of thing in a pigeon type sense & certain other matters. Now back when here I knew a bloke (pigeon flyer) living country style with a hawk problem/issue & between his hawk trap & his
Rittenhouse special, he apparently somehow relocated to a new home in one year 150 odd of what you at times are having trouble with as such there .  

Have any idea how I can change my user name to MIKE

paloma blanca wrote:

Have any idea how I can change my user name to MIKE

actually I wouldn't have a clue here I'm But we are a friendly lot here MIKE on average & if you just leave your name as is maybe "paloma blanca" etc we will happily call MIKE with joy in the future here I suspect & nothing but MIKE as such Now I noted your apparent frustration here on the lack of rings available recently when required from those that should have known better there in a pigeon type sense. One could perhaps say in a certain way perhaps it was a good thing, new members maybe equals extra new rings required. But if somehow a normal yearly occurence in any way shape or form, I suggest it's a wee bit of management problem issue, maybe & that's coming from a past ring secretary type here, back when where he had the responsibility to supply & manage in different ways, 20,000 odd rings in a year for his local Fed somehow for the simple & utter joy factor  .
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No worries, from now on MIKE, to me, David the boy to tell you how to change it officialy. 

Hope everything alright at your end MIKE with the virus problem etc; 

Regards.

paloma blanca wrote:

Have any idea how I can change my user name to MIKE

just click profile at the topof the page, then where it shows your user name simply remove it and type in your new name........then click save .......