RPRA Hptspot 4

Jeremy Davies
4 h ·
Good morning
We will be marking late afternoon today to race tomorrow for our semi final race from East Prawle a distance of 138 miles it’s forecast to be a good day weather wise and a north wind so it’s looking like a 3 hour plus race tomorrow.
The winner of the race tomorrow will win a cool £3000 for 1st
We have had a number of pigeons work in the last few days around a dozen or so and a few reported that won’t be marked for this race but a full marked list of marked birds will be on Benzing live around 8pm and a list of birds on the news page that are not going later.
Duncan and James will be taking the pigeons and myself will be on the whistle at the home end.
I will update again after marking.
Jeremy..

EAST PRAWLE MARKED LIST
September 14th, 2022
Good Evening
Please find the marked list on Benzing Live
We had another 6 birds turn in today 3 while we were marking tonight and 20 plus the last 5 days then 6 with a courier and the birds injured etc from previous races they are being isolated and then will join the main loft next week and will be trained.
N39716 , B15823 , D41206 , V04301 , A71624 ,A50361 , N56005 ,SU 2826 , NEHU EC3364 , V20168 , N31276 , V49281 , V02182 , C39971 , Z16523 , N65020 , D76633 , V97132 , B11842 , V13758 , V52705 , V16489 , D12701 , B22555 , N32392 , WHU D32053 , D59799 , N44091 , B15821 , Z12108 , Z29484 , N15074 , S44873 , Z02278 , WHU D06441 , X22101 , V41689 , NEHU TD1168 , S10743 , WHU D28316 , V13163 , X09046 , V07741 , C74704 , NEHU EC3363 , Z09384 , V93724 , B33151 , N25620.
Duncan and James will be leaving shortly and hopefully they will be onsite before midnight.
We are hoping to liberate between 8 and 9 am tomorrow morning.
We wish everyone the best of luck.
Will update in the morning.
Jeremy..

David wrote:

EAST PRAWLE MARKED LIST
September 14th, 2022
Good Evening
Please find the marked list on Benzing Live
We had another 6 birds turn in today 3 while we were marking tonight and 20 plus the last 5 days then 6 with a courier and the birds injured etc from previous races they are being isolated and then will join the main loft next week and will be trained.
N39716 , B15823 , D41206 , V04301 , A71624 ,A50361 , N56005 ,SU 2826 , NEHU EC3364 , V20168 , N31276 , V49281 , V02182 , C39971 , Z16523 , N65020 , D76633 , V97132 , B11842 , V13758 , V52705 , V16489 , D12701 , B22555 , N32392 , WHU D32053 , D59799 , N44091 , B15821 , Z12108 , Z29484 , N15074 , S44873 , Z02278 , WHU D06441 , X22101 , V41689 , NEHU TD1168 , S10743 , WHU D28316 , V13163 , X09046 , V07741 , C74704 , NEHU EC3363 , Z09384 , V93724 , B33151 , N25620.
Duncan and James will be leaving shortly and hopefully they will be onsite before midnight.
We are hoping to liberate between 8 and 9 am tomorrow morning.
We wish everyone the best of luck.
Will update in the morning.
Jeremy..

Extraordinary number of birds there etc David I suggest, held back now apparently for different type reasons for the last race. Throw them all into another head wind type scenario for the final & I have a fair idea here where most of them sadly will be sleeping somehow come nightfall etc .

reading in BHW the north west olr had 176 entries after 4 races only 7 in the auction

hows that work out then george ...?

169 were lost ? see for next year £150 a bird

[quote="George & Morgan"]169  were lost ?  see for next  year £150 a bird[/quote

]i also don't think they loft fly only train twice a day a test loft i was in done the same and was successful

ive never seen these one lofts, or the rpra in particular birds actually exercising around the loft, some do flutter round, but most just lay about on the grass or the roof of the loft .....they then take them a mile or so down the road and loose them, no wonder.

ive seen this before with my own birds, once they go onto darkness they do not want to fly, instead they lay about chasing the hens or pecking around on the grass, i reckon apart from the darkness being made out as something its not, the majority of one lofts take in far too many entries to manage properly .

David wrote:

ive never seen these one lofts, or the rpra in particular birds actually exercising around the loft, some do flutter round, but most just lay about on the grass or the roof of the loft .....they then take them a mile or so down the road and loose them, no wonder.

ive seen this before with my own birds, once they go onto darkness they do not want to fly, instead they lay about chasing the hens or pecking around on the grass, i reckon apart from the darkness being made out as something its not, the majority of one lofts take in far too many entries to manage properly .

Thats basically the major issue/problem there etc David from my perspective here unfortunately no way do the birds there on average I'm  have a fitness level of any consequence or value to achieve anything as such come race day. 25 nothing type tosses & a recent near disaster at 130 odd miles, with more to come in the near future I suspect sadly in the final race there if Jeremy maybe just decides somehow to put them all up again into a head wind type breeze     Now     we have a saying down here     that fit/keen pigeons can simply fly through a brick wall with ease if found in the way     come training day or the like. Paper bag scenario thou       if being kind, would be a bit struggle I'm    by what I've experienced for most of the birds I've seen over the years here with our race in question, simply because of their general overall training regime used each year there & the general thinking process of what's maybe best for the birds under one's care there to achieve an acceptable final result for all those perhaps involved by the end. End of the day here     I don't really blame Jeremy as such     as he in certain ways sadly     is simply a casualty factor in my view     by what was unleashed on our sport years ago       when the first million dollar type race was first staged in South Africa     back when & the general carnage factor it has now left in its tracks so to speak to this present day in a pigeon sense    .

not sure if ii read or was told that only a few range

George & Morgan wrote:

not sure if ii read or  was told that only a few range

With the best managrment in the word with so many pigeons involved you will have a considerable number for one reason or another not wanting to fly around the loft if only let out for a couple of hours they will just sit around and the majority follow suit.

On top of which put them in a basket and take them a few yards down the road and let them go is not a good idea,

I feel health is the mjor drawback with so many pigeons involved.

Many fanciers cannot keep half a dozen pigeons healthy.

Still, you know what is involved and you have a choice.

Think it would be better to limit the number to around 250 and allow only one entry, make the prize money a less draw than the fun of the fair.

Money ruins everything it touches and I think if we knew all that went off in some of the events we would not sleep at night.

Regards.






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with the high costs of corn there may be a substantial increase in entry fee per bird this year i would think £150

George & Morgan wrote:

with the high costs of corn there may be a substantial increase  in entry fee per bird  this year i would think £150

No need to increase entry fee just reduce the prize money.

When thinking about these events I always bring to mind reading about one fancier who only enters OL races.

He sends 10 to the best races when their is no limit and is as happy as Lary if he has 3 in the final.

I would be annoyed if I lost three.

Regards.

Knackered wrote:

David wrote:

ive never seen these one lofts, or the rpra in particular birds actually exercising around the loft, some do flutter round, but most just lay about on the grass or the roof of the loft .....they then take them a mile or so down the road and loose them, no wonder.

ive seen this before with my own birds, once they go onto darkness they do not want to fly, instead they lay about chasing the hens or pecking around on the grass, i reckon apart from the darkness being made out as something its not, the majority of one lofts take in far too many entries to manage properly .

Thats basically the major issue/problem there etc David from my perspective here unfortunately no way do the birds there on average I'm  have a fitness level of any consequence or value to achieve anything as such come race day. 25 nothing type tosses & a recent near disaster at 130 odd miles, with more to come in the near future I suspect sadly in the final race there if Jeremy maybe just decides somehow to put them all up again into a head wind type breeze     Now     we have a saying down here     that fit/keen pigeons can simply fly through a brick wall with ease if found in the way     come training day or the like. Paper bag scenario thou       if being kind, would be a bit struggle I'm    by what I've experienced for most of the birds I've seen over the years here with our race in question, simply because of their general overall training regime used each year there & the general thinking process of what's maybe best for the birds under one's care there to achieve an acceptable final result for all those perhaps involved by the end. End of the day here     I don't really blame Jeremy as such     as he in certain ways sadly     is simply a casualty factor in my view     by what was unleashed on our sport years ago       when the first million dollar type race was first staged in South Africa     back when & the general carnage factor it has now left in its tracks so to speak to this present day in a pigeon sense    .

one of the most sensible posts on this subject that i have come to read yet,its generally the nature of a one loft to be a disaster with so many birds from different sources at the outset under different management from what they are used to,many treat bird on a preventative basis and poor immunity in that loft insues but they dont care they just carry on treating the birds

oldstrain wrote:

Knackered wrote:

David wrote:

ive never seen these one lofts, or the rpra in particular birds actually exercising around the loft, some do flutter round, but most just lay about on the grass or the roof of the loft .....they then take them a mile or so down the road and loose them, no wonder.

ive seen this before with my own birds, once they go onto darkness they do not want to fly, instead they lay about chasing the hens or pecking around on the grass, i reckon apart from the darkness being made out as something its not, the majority of one lofts take in far too many entries to manage properly .

Thats basically the major issue/problem there etc David from my perspective here unfortunately no way do the birds there on average I'm  have a fitness level of any consequence or value to achieve anything as such come race day. 25 nothing type tosses & a recent near disaster at 130 odd miles, with more to come in the near future I suspect sadly in the final race there if Jeremy maybe just decides somehow to put them all up again into a head wind type breeze     Now     we have a saying down here     that fit/keen pigeons can simply fly through a brick wall with ease if found in the way     come training day or the like. Paper bag scenario thou       if being kind, would be a bit struggle I'm    by what I've experienced for most of the birds I've seen over the years here with our race in question, simply because of their general overall training regime used each year there & the general thinking process of what's maybe best for the birds under one's care there to achieve an acceptable final result for all those perhaps involved by the end. End of the day here     I don't really blame Jeremy as such     as he in certain ways sadly     is simply a casualty factor in my view     by what was unleashed on our sport years ago       when the first million dollar type race was first staged in South Africa     back when & the general carnage factor it has now left in its tracks so to speak to this present day in a pigeon sense    .

one of the most sensible posts on this subject that i have come to read yet,its generally the nature of a one loft to be a disaster with so many birds from different sources at the outset under different management from what they are used to,many treat bird on a preventative basis and poor immunity in that loft insues but they dont care they just carry on treating the birds

That's maybe a bit of a worry etc O/S not renowned for talking sense here I'm      End of the day thou would anybody actually know what preventive health type treatments the birds there would receive on a weekly/monthly type basis & if a Vet perhaps somehow would be advising a health type plan/arrangement.

i think olr birds that are successful breed good olr birds and the problem is fanciers send there best birds which are not the type for this racing as i said before i know a fancier who does well in olr last year he sent only 2 both won best 2 bird average

sprint breed sprint distance birds breed distance what he did tell me was he brought in sprint birds to cross with his distance birds

George & Morgan wrote:

i think olr birds that are successful breed good olr birds  and the problem is fanciers  send there best birds which are not the type for this racing as i said before i know a fancier who does well in olr last year he sent only 2 both won best 2 bird average  

Some truth it that George I suspect Champion A & Champion  B city types, flying in the bigger Feds in their general area. Mr Nobody country type flyer here, flying up to 500 odd miles at times with small numbers each week & small membership of 8/10 on a good day.

i think its a certain type of bird that does well in one loft racing, certain breeds do not do well .........

The first birds arrived back at 12.22pm and the provisional top 10 is below. Click on the image to see the arrivals so far.