looking at my checkers

after watching part of a video by Bill Carney was one hr and 45 mins  i think i learned something about eye colour  and not just eye sign found out  there is a lilac eye was not going to breed of my checkers next year but may now paired to  a different colour

one more

Bill Caney judged twice at our shows and also assesed my pigeons on eye sign
( the whole loft ).

Put a basket to put the dummies in.

One ended up in that basket, a hen had recently purchased having said it had broken records, after I had purchased it, it was disputed wether the facts were right, so I culled it then and there.

He said mine were the best small loft of pigeons he had handled.

He certainly knows a good one from a dummy.

The morning he visited was a Monday and there was a hold over from Lerwick.

I went into work early knowing I would be leaving to see Bill later.

No moble then, was out on site when my first bird arrived and lost over an hour when I got back to the office and my wife who had no idea how to clock a pigeon
lost the race by10 minutes having to go and clock in.

Bill said he would have liked the pigeon but no way would I have wanted her fastened up after enjoying an open loft.

Looked into eye sign won many cards, also judged eye sign shows.


Eventual conclusion is that there are as many duffs with the best eye sign as per
the theory and as many champions devoid of same.

You only have to look at the insipid eyes in the photographs of the best performing pigeons every type of eye involved.

Best interpretation, they need two that work.

Sat up untill after midnight at times discussing this with the late Skarthi, Albert Whitty and Pete Rogers, Albert had dozens of slides regarding the subject.

Interesting but inconclusive.

Regards.

i will look more carefully at the colour of the eye next year

George & Morgan wrote:

i will look more carefully at the colour of the eye next year

A true violet eye is said to be the best George.

Only ever seen one true one.

Regards.

so most get mixed up with lilac got to be honest never heard of that colour misty

George & Morgan wrote:

so most get mixed up with lilac got to be honest never heard of that colour misty

Dominant Violet George, very few real ones about but there are the dummies amongst them like all the others.

Seen photos of them but only ever handled one true one.

Came to conclusion long ago basket tells the tale.

I always sorted the breeders out, they also had open loft and never went in the racing paniers when proven breeders, you only need a few pairs that breed decent youngsters on a regular basis, not all will be any good but a reasonable percentage.

Takes time initially but worth it in the long run.


Off to bed George past my bedtime.

Regards.

George & Morgan wrote:

after watching part of a video by Bill Carney was one hr and 45 mins  i think i learned something about eye colour  and not just eye sign found out  there is a lilac eye was not going to breed of my checkers next year but may now paired to  a different colour

Total waste of an hour & 3/4 quarters etc George from my perspective here I'm for someone in your position there. I know an old fella around your general age here thinks eye sign is just one big joke on average, just maybe like trying to find that magic mix with the feed type scenario many chase. Knows nothing about either I'm But at the weekend here in a gruelling 2 day type event in his fed (1 clock on the day) from 540 odd miles, he dropped a baker's dozen by nightfall on the 2nd day somehow    with his small team, while many theory men local types here were battling to sadly fill a hand full in their lofts End of the story George     with 2 bird clocking here in our long races & experts abound everywhere type thing     would you like to guess       who somehow put 2 birds in the clock     quicker than anybody else here in our break your heart type race.

Knackered i was not talking about eyesign but colour of the eye

George & Morgan wrote:

Knackered i was not talking about eyesign but colour of the eye

Eye sign colour all was still a waste of an hour & 3/4 etc George I suggest Now, tell me George where do you think most of these magic type eyes people generally chase in a pigeon type sense finish up at the end of the day & have you ever heard all the many different birds that migrate each year around our planet every which way talk about eye sign type thing.

question Knackered do you ever pair same colour eyes to-gather

I spent a bit time looking at my best racers eyes and compared them to the also- rans.
Some of them looked identical unless I was missing something? Nothing stood out to seem different that I could grasp anyway.
My best YB this year was from a cock and hen with same coloured eyes (at least looked same to me) washed out pinkish grey eyes, this YB and his nestmate have the same eyes too. I still find it interesting though and always end up looking into the pigeons eyes for some reason

Colin are the 2 ybs same sex both cocks or both hens

George & Morgan wrote:

question Knackered do you ever pair same colour eyes to-gather

Always try to vary them etc George on average. Some times thou I'm   carn't be helped type thing when down to the last few pairs to be mated as such. Bit like George the bloke that won our Fed yesterday here, apparently by all reports mated up his fifty odd pairs type thing last year as normal & where did his fed winner come from layed on the floor from unknown parentage type thing in his loft   .

George & Morgan wrote:

Colin are the 2 ybs same sex both cocks or both hens

one of each George, only raced this year but cock won and 2nd fed and the hen was usually in the first 3 or 4 back to the loft, early days I know.

gifted this cock heard nothing in 2 years

You could always ask GEORGE.

Regards,

did in email got no reply

George & Morgan wrote:

did in email got no reply

Anything could have happened George.

But always nice to know what happens to gift birds.

Bit late now.

Regards.

Found eye sign in different breeds were dominant according to the theory.

Some have a majority of pearl eyes, others right through to the deepest colours.
the best deep brown eyes I have seen were in some SIONS {believe spelt right but ?) long ago, never  hear of them now.

Does make one wonder at why there are so many different colours.

Regards.

this was my gaby birds eye misty

George & Morgan wrote:

this was my gaby birds eye misty

Above average George seen many not as good.

To see the eye at it's best you need a light on it to reduce the pupil.

Funny thing, just thought I would find out about the Sions demise and Hey they are still going strong in America.

Also those shown had pearl eyes the ones I had had deep brown eyes.

The plot thickens.

Best bet, ignore the theories let the basket talk.

Regards.

George & Morgan wrote:

this was my gaby birds eye misty

Above average George seen many not as good.

To  see the eye at it's best you need a light on it to reduce the pupil.

Funny thing, just thought I would find out about the Sions demise and Hey they are still going strong in America.

Also those shown had pearl eyes the ones I had had deep brown eyes.

The plot thickens.

Best bet, ignore the theories let the basket talk.

Regards.

misty out of the 11 ybs i bred this year only one survived rest went down in training i bred this cock and it was the sire of that yb