treatment or no treatment

the thing is with all this treatment you read about all these top fanciers home and abroad
treating for this and that and every body follows suit , these top birds are proped up with pills and potions
you no little about ok they might work but it starts a change of events you treat the the parents then you have to treat the youngters as well and it goes on and on in the end you have a family of pigeons that can only win with regular treatment if you want to go down that road go ahead no one can stop you . 9 times out of 10
if i have a bird or birds what arn,t up to scratch or arn,t looking well they get moved on no one else gets them
i want my birds to have a stress free life as possible they only get injected for parra and they have there droppings tested then thats it i have my own ways of keeping them germ free over 30 years of keeping pigeons and talking to certain people ive found ways of doing this at the end of the day i do this for enjoyment
i don,t want to spend my hard earned cash on potions just to win a pigeon race .
if i have upset any one then im sorry its not ment to each to there own this is my way win or lose

hi kev, so do you treat as a preventative before breeding or racing ? and do you have any methods to combat any deseases they might pick up in the basket.....? thanks.

Everyone to there own Ken and fair play for tell the truth mate

I know were your coming fromIan but to look at the product it was like gold demarera sugur (brown to me and you)

But the stuff that it shiffted did make a difference to the pigeons with the way they worked

by what ive read don your right, you wouldnt beleive the amount ot s**T thats in a pigeons respatory system........

Your right there mate, that is one of the biggest problems for the pigeons get that right then the rest will follow

this is what iam saying you must treat to compete must be 100% healthy otherwise your good earned cash is going to the people who do treat in the way of pool money by the way kev no offense taken everyone to there own

david , i get there droppings checked before pairing and if needed i do treat but if there
levels are low i leave well alone ido have the treatments in case but i haven,t used them in years
by the way the pigeons what will be coming down for the challange will be treated for the yb programe
but my own will be treated in my own way and will be compaired at the end of the yb national to see what as
done the best treated or not treated . ian no offence taken i have full confidence in my own pgeons in the big races it will be very intresting . david in time i will disclose what i do in my routine ready for the big races and to stop using meds . cheers kev

Kev i agree 100 % with you, you have let your pigeons own defences fight over the years and this has made the immune system a lot stronger compared to ones which have been treated here and there

You look at Frank Tasker he will tell you to let the birds build up the immune system

who cares what frank tasker says make your mind up and do your own thing

Yes your right Ian but if everyone was to take your attitude then this site would be waste of time

Advise Ian that's all it is and every little helps

yes i know what your saying don but ive got my own view so iam entitled to speek my mind not to be preached at , saying this is what this man said it must be right d you honestly thin the top men tell you everthing they do, i dont thin so

Fair play Ian i know were your coming from but Frank has got a point were the immune system is concerned

But everyone to there own and that is what this site is all about

yes frank is his own person and got his views not to say hes right though

guys would you take a sore head pill if you did,nt have a sore head no well why do people treat there doos for stuff they havent got . i had ago at stormqueen onanother thread about treating i just cant see the point of treating for the sake of it or because someone else dose it .its a waste of money and your doing the doos no good treating for something if they dont have it .get your doos droppings tested or a swab done its better for yous both

this is your point of view by the way i always get my birds tested , what maes you right and other people wrong would you send a unfit bird to a race or do you want them 100%

ian wrote:

this is your point of view by the way i always get my birds tested , what maes you right and other people wrong would you send a unfit bird to a race or do you want them 100%

i dont know what you are on about here but me personaly would,nt send a doo to a race if i did,nt think it could win . as for unfit doos there is a difference between them and doos that not healthy .i have never said i,m right just that i dont treat blind do you if so why.

Robbie doo you have a good point there and yes your right , there is to much do with blind treatment

Here you are Ian this is for you

British Homing World 8th October page 148

Frank Sheader the Kipp and Son advert " They very rarely medicate their birds to eradicate any weakness"

There it is from the man himself in black and white

and you beleive that more fool you

robbiedoo. wrote:

ian wrote:

this is your point of view by the way i always get my birds tested , what maes you right and other people wrong would you send a unfit bird to a race or do you want them 100%

i dont know what you are on about here but me personaly would,nt send a doo to a race if i did,nt think it could win . as for unfit doos there is a difference between them and doos that not healthy .i have never said i,m right just that i dont treat blind do you if so why.

first of all when you send your birds to a race you honestly thin they all could win ,dont think so,secondly a ill pigeon is not race fit so in my view its the same, first priority is health then fittness, thirdly as i said previously i also get droppings tested, and finally why do you call pigeons doo,s

Ian everyone to there own

Don Webb wrote:

Ian evedryone to there own

don that totally right:lol!:

not been on site very much all week and when i come back the sites in turmoil, no, only joking, its good to see some decent points of view and different opinions from members which just shows its each to their own regarding treatments/management etc

p.s. ian, robbiedoo. is in scotland where the pigeon fanciers tend to call the pigeons doos.