Busschaerts. Still crazy after all these years.

Don Webb wrote:

seanl wrote:

Gaz b wrote:

I think the most famous has to be Tom Larkins, and then George Corbett The Coppi Cock.
When I first started in pigeons, that's mainly all there was.
Got it in one Delbar.

gaz larkins best was the 55 the sire of the coppi and remember his famous 4 the 3 musketeers he had many top birds as would be expected of georges agent in the u k
people get hung up on strain names familys theres only 2 kinds the ones that breed and the ones that score the rest just eat corn and crap remember georges first family that he raced with gill duncan was delbar catryse and van brueanne van der esp ect sean

Sean am i right in saying Georges birds were a mix of all sorts but the problem in belguim once they go through the loft do they are that persons name breed

yes Don they where but remember he must have been a very good picker to select so many top breeders he also flew a very good pigeon when he raced as was his bros Andre the belgs and dutch rarely buy birds they swap with each other and most dont bother with peds its only the market wants peds i never seen a ped win a race yet sean

Don Webb wrote:

Gaz b wrote:

I think the most famous has to be Tom Larkins, and then George Corbett The Coppi Cock.
When I first started in pigeons, that's mainly all there was.
Got it in one Delbar.

My freind Barry Nicklin still has the old lines left of Larkins, and the Coppi pigeons even has a red cock which is from his red cock champ Heartbreak

I think the reds come through the lines of champion "Red 20"

He had top birds. I'm trying to recreate a dynasty here and having a tough time tracing the old lines that can still pull a plow. Perhaps you would PM me his phone or email or whatever gets the job done. There might be something there. ATB B'

mark evans heart of england auctions has some good old lines sean

seanl wrote:

mark evans heart of england auctions has some good old lines sean

Will second that Sean i also know Mark

are they doing well for him>?

maricelbill wrote:

It's a long list, Turner, Beardsmore, most of the ones we know would have come through Deal. Larkins Henson The Reject Cock, Crayone, I think the reason we still call them Busschaerts is Belgian fanciers didn't buy into them like they did Janssen. The expression pure Busschaert refers to birds that descend only from birds that came from George Busschaert. It does not mean they will breed you winners. Same way if I buy a Van Loon I know it a Janssen. Now, who here knows an A.K Tonk? Are they still racing Busschaerts?

A.K.Tonks that is Arnie Tonks of wednesbury he is a top fancier a very good eyesign man also
Arnie races with his wife sylvia and son Neil

He had the busschaerts and his main ones came from a person called Harry Pessell of Coseley here in the midlands

Arnie races Marc deCock family now but i think he still has the busshaerts

maricelbill wrote:

are they doing well for him>?

Marks got loads of different breeds but not to sure if they are still winning for him

you seem to think he's a straight up guy, that's positive so.

maricelbill wrote:

you seem to think he's a straight up guy, that's positive so.

A.K.Tonks that is Arnie Tonks of wednesbury he is a top fancier a very good eyesign man also
Arnie races with his wife sylvia and son Neil

He had the busschaerts and his main ones came from a person called Harry Pessell of Coseley here in the midlands

Arnie races Marc deCock family now but i think he still has the busshaerts[/quote]

You are spot on!! I'm on the other side of the Irish sea and I'm becoming a proper pest trying to trace people. I've been away from the table a while, difficult to make contacts again. Arnie Tonks is on my radar. He most certainly is. I'm getting warm

maricelbill wrote:

delbar wrote:

For the Buscharrt lines from a performance loft i would head to Ronnie Williamson at Newry.

John Crowder at Stallingborough has a nice team of them too.

I tried to get hold of John Yesterday. There's a guy in Weston Super Mare I'd like to speak to only I don't have a contact and I don't know anyone from there.

thats my neck of the woods m8 whats his name and i will see if i can find out ,do you have any info at all to go on

oldstrain wrote:

maricelbill wrote:

delbar wrote:

For the Buscharrt lines from a performance loft i would head to Ronnie Williamson at Newry.

John Crowder at Stallingborough has a nice team of them too.

I tried to get hold of John Yesterday. There's a guy in Weston Super Mare I'd like to speak to only I don't have a contact and I don't know anyone from there.

thats my neck of the woods m8 whats his name and i will see if i can find out ,do you have any info at all to go on

His name is Paul Kilcoyne

been ringing John Crowder for 3 days. He's out with a mate, the wife says. Some mate. As for Williamson they're not for me. They're bred down from Billy Parks. Wonderful wonderful pigeons won everything. South Road, North Road not a chance. A waste of time.

never heard of the name but will enquire for you ,i would imagine he would have or does fly in the wraxall club or maybe high littleton as these would be nearest to weston super mare ...i will try to find out but cant promise anything m8 i have 3 pairs of bushys here 1 pair from louella boxford corbetts 1 pair from white cheeks lines 1 pair from john crowder stock and the crowders are the ones that i like most they handle much better to me more compact

oldstrain wrote:

never heard of the name but will enquire for you ,i would imagine he would have or does fly in the wraxall club or maybe high littleton as these would be nearest to weston super mare ...i will try to find out but cant promise anything m8 i have 3 pairs of bushys here 1 pair from louella boxford corbetts 1 pair from white cheeks lines 1 pair from john crowder stock and the crowders are the ones that i like most they handle much better to me more compact

http://www.cscfc.com/01Rcarentan12.pdf

This should narrow it down.

Which of John's Lines did you find best? I'm told his stock is quite inbred and he keeps the different lines in 3 different lofts or sections. B'

i got the dark uns m8

Don Webb wrote:

maricelbill wrote:

It's a long list, Turner, Beardsmore, most of the ones we know would have come through Deal. Larkins Henson The Reject Cock, Crayone, I think the reason we still call them Busschaerts is Belgian fanciers didn't buy into them like they did Janssen. The expression pure Busschaert refers to birds that descend only from birds that came from George Busschaert. It does not mean they will breed you winners. Same way if I buy a Van Loon I know it a Janssen. Now, who here knows an A.K Tonk? Are they still racing Busschaerts?

A.K.Tonks that is Arnie Tonks of wednesbury he is a top fancier a very good eyesign man also
Arnie races with his wife sylvia and son Neil

He had the busschaerts and his main ones came from a person called Harry Pessell of Coseley here in the midlands

Arnie races Marc deCock family now but i think he still has the busshaerts

Do you think Arnie Tonk would be in the phone directory if I just used wednesbury. I don't know if that's a village or a shire to be honest. English geography is puzzling. Have to say this little tet a tet is quite informative. I'm beginning to think there's a little piece of Busschaert in al of us

oldstrain wrote:

i got the dark uns m8

what did you think of that link? narrow it down?

just had a look on your link none the wiser but will ask about for you ....somebody down this way is sure to have a contact even if its his club adress or club sec give me a few days and i see what i can find m8 ...

oldstrain wrote:

just had a look on your link none the wiser but will ask about for you ....somebody down this way is sure to have a contact even if its his club adress or club sec give me a few days and i see what i can find m8 ...

appreciated!

maricelbill wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

i got the dark uns m8

what did you think of that link? narrow it down?

on your link the guy who finished 3rd mr a fielding lives in my old suburb and he used to play in the same darts team so their may be a lead their

oldstrain wrote:

just had a look on your link none the wiser but will ask about for you ....somebody down this way is sure to have a contact even if its his club adress or club sec give me a few days and i see what i can find m8 ...

you have to change that picture, every time I post I think I'm taking you away from the child New generation, did he ask for a scraper or a rattler

Gaz b wrote:

Racing pigeons are biggest deception there is, especially when it comes to European fanciers. It don't matter where their birds come from they always become their breed.

You were damned informative when you got going. You knew it all. Hiding you light under a bushel. That's bushel, not Bus.................

oh definitely a scraper to be honest its up to him if he gets into pigeons but i do want him to respect animals but you know sons they usualy want to do what dads doing until they start dateing

oldstrain wrote:

oh definitely a scraper to be honest its up to him if he gets into pigeons but i do want him to respect animals but you know sons they usualy want to do what dads doing until they start dateing

very true. I've one dgtr 25 and dgtr 4. Different hens. I see things now I never saw the first time. We get them when we're young enough to rear them but too often not old enough to fully appreciate them. That's why God gave us women