ETS over Clocking system

edgie wrote:

i have had an E.T.S. System since they became in use in the uk, my birds trust me better, no chasing them about for the rubber, i can see every bird arive home,i can also leave my clock running for any returns if it happens to be a bad one at the distance,while i get my hopfully early birds read off, i can also keep a track on my birds training, ( in short better than sliced bread ) if you can afford 1 get 1  you wont compeat properley against 1. 

I don't do no chasing round loft old ins go straight in their boxes and y/bs normally in the box perches
sean

edgie wrote:

i saw that coming ray, got rid of my unikon, bought bricon,  rings cheaper, also bought 200 rings they should last me along time ?.

I should hope so Edgie   (200 rings) watch out Ray thou, he's a coming    quanity over quality ???? may be the go now from our mate here    . Makes me feel rather small, I was a 130 rings a year man when I played the game down here. Ring secretary new my thought's etc    so he never asked me what I wanted & just gave them to me with a bill   . Did make me get a bit ruthless towards the end of the season with the breeding etc thou, but in some/many ways that was not a bad thing.  
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seanl wrote:

edgie wrote:

i have had an E.T.S. System since they became in use in the uk, my birds trust me better, no chasing them about for the rubber, i can see every bird arive home,i can also leave my clock running for any returns if it happens to be a bad one at the distance,while i get my hopfully early birds read off, i can also keep a track on my birds training, ( in short better than sliced bread ) if you can afford 1 get 1  you wont compeat properley against 1. 

I don't do no chasing round loft old ins go straight in their boxes and y/bs normally in the box perches
sean

sorry sean by the time you get to pick the bird up to remove race rubber, mine would already be on the clock. 

morning sean i will respect what you say, but get yorself an E.T.S. for christmas, you will not regret it. 

I Dont think santa can afford to get us all one.

probably not, he will have the same goverment as us.   

Boosey wrote:

I Dont think santa can afford to get us all one.

Well !!!!!    you never really know Boosey, until you ask. You could always say you just landed off a boat type of thing & you speak no english    & you need a EC to tell the time etc so you know when to cook the curry for tea   . Could work ???????? so why not try.  
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I have Ets had it for 4 years now and I think its the best invention for pigeons ever, I cant think why anyone would rather not use it.
It will tell you all the birds home on the day and in order if you pop out after the first birds arrive, it will tell you what birds come from training, what time and order when your on your way back in the car.
After a tough race who the hell wants to catch the bird that just flew back to you? not me, so you wont get bad trappers.
There is no advantage over the traditional clock, and if you do feel usless or want to handle your poor birds after the race you can put it in the loft on a ledge where your old clock used to be and swipe the birds over it.
And if you cant afford 1 then don't go down the pub so often and you soon will, pigeon racing isn't a cheap hobby and a few hundred quid is easily saved for a second hand 1.

Simples

Rudderfett wrote:

I have Ets had it for 4 years now and I think its the best invention for pigeons ever, I cant think why anyone would rather not use it.
It will tell you all the birds home on the day and in order if you pop out after the first birds arrive, it will tell you what birds come from training, what time and order when your on your way back in the car.
After a tough race who the hell wants to catch the bird that just flew back to you? not me, so you wont get bad trappers.
There is no advantage over the traditional clock, and if you do feel usless or want to handle your poor birds after the race you can put it in the loft on a ledge where your old clock used to be and swipe the birds over it.
And if you cant afford 1 then don't go down the pub so often and you soon will, pigeon racing isn't a cheap hobby and a few hundred quid is easily saved for a second hand 1.

Simples

I agree mate its a god send to me as I work shifts 12 hours on weekends my missus or son take it out the holder and hand it to a club mate.
With the training you work out whats worth keeping to.

I think the ETS will solve a lot of possible problems for me and put my mind at ease , at the end of the day we have to work so being able to have a hobby as well and knowing that you will be able to race has got to be a good thing. So to the lads who are using the ETS which one is best , speaking for myself i personally only aim to have a small team of birds , i know there are a couple of types of ETS , unicon and bricon , do they come as a complete system are they difficult to set up and once set up do you leave them set up for the season ??  

andy.

hi mate i use bricon. and im happy with it i set it up on race morning b4 i go work takes about 5mins.wouldnt leave it in the loft just incase any1 with sticky fingers comes creeping lol

when you work out what some pay for stock birds ets works out cheap

the average 6 y/b cost 250 to 300 most aint worth that and most are lost or binned cus they no good

mufc rick wrote:

hi mate i use bricon. and im happy with it i set it up on race morning b4 i go work takes about 5mins.wouldnt leave it in the loft just incase any1 with sticky fingers comes creeping lol

Cheers rick sounds good mate thought there would be more to it than that
i think my mind is made up  

birdy2011 wrote:

when you work out what some pay for stock birds ets works out cheap

the average 6 y/b cost 250 to 300 most aint worth that  and most are lost or binned cus they no good

That`s a fair point birdy , when you put it like that it seems wrong not to:D 

And you can pay monthly

[quote="EssexSteve"]And you can pay monthly[/quote

What company is that steve , any more info mate  

andy.

I think its all been said and clearly ETS is the best system, we have 4 lofts right next to each other, 3 on ETS and 1 loft clocks manually. Sometimes when the manual clocking loft gets a bird it sits on top of a street lamp as it knows the proceedure when it traps. (It gets manhandled) lol.
Whether or not you have ETS does not make your birds arrive faster but the advantages are easy to see.
A. You do not have to pounce on the bird the moment it enters the loft and possibly make it think twice about trapping quickly in future races. If you want to handle your birds after a race you can do it an hour or so after arrival so the birds dont link it with trapping.

B. Ets tells you at a glance how many birds are home and exactly how split up they were.
This supplies you with an instant printed record to file and keep to look through when decisions about the birds racing breeding etc have to be made. The time saved writing in books manually can be spent with the birds in more important areas.
C. Ets sorts out your birds entered in different races on the same day and cuts out the chance of putting the wrong rubber in the wrong clock.

D. Ets is great for long races when birds can arrive after Dark or 5am in the morning, fanciers can not always be there if races go into 2 days or more due to other commitments.

As regards how many birds one clocks that is up to the fancier, he or she pays for the birds to go to the race so if they come back quick get them clocked. It gives other fanciers the incentive to try harder in future instead of their real result being massaged by sympathy.
The only draw back with ETS is the ever spiralling price of the Chip rings and the fact that some lowlife fanciers steal the chips off the birds legs should they enter their loft.

It also is great for training when the fancier cannot see the birds arrive, due to being on the way home from training as the birds arrive especially when he or she is tossing the birds in small groups.
It goes without saying that is better for fanciers with a disability and gives them the chance to participate in pigeon racing and be independant.
It is a fantastic tool for the sport and no way of manually clocking pigeons can hold a candle to it.

spencerline wrote:

I think its all been said and clearly ETS is the best system, we have 4 lofts right next to each other, 3 on ETS and 1 loft clocks manually. Sometimes when the manual clocking loft gets a bird it sits on top of a street lamp as it knows the proceedure when it traps. (It gets manhandled) lol.
Whether or not you have ETS does not make your birds arrive faster but the advantages are easy to see.
A. You do not have to pounce on the bird the moment it enters the loft and possibly make it think twice about trapping quickly in future races. If you want to handle your birds after a race you can do it an hour or so after arrival so the birds dont link it with trapping.

B. Ets tells you at a glance how many birds are home and exactly how split up they were.
This supplies you with an instant printed record to file and keep to look through when decisions about the birds racing breeding etc have to be made. The time saved writing in books manually can be spent with the birds in more important areas.
C. Ets sorts out your birds entered in different races on the same day and cuts out the chance of putting the wrong rubber in the wrong clock.

D. Ets is great for long races when birds can arrive after Dark or 5am in the morning, fanciers can not always be there if races go into 2 days or more due to other commitments.

As regards how many birds one clocks that is up to the fancier, he or she pays for the birds to go to the race so if they come back quick get them clocked. It gives other fanciers the incentive to try harder in future instead of their real result being massaged by sympathy.
The only draw back with ETS is the ever spiralling price of the Chip rings and the fact that some lowlife fanciers steal the chips off the birds legs should they enter their loft.

It also is great for training when the fancier cannot see the birds arrive, due to being on the way home from training as the birds arrive especially when  he or she is tossing the birds in small groups.
It goes without saying that is better for fanciers with a disability and gives them the chance to participate in pigeon racing and be independant.
It is a fantastic tool for the sport and no  way of manually clocking pigeons can hold a candle to it.

    That should kill this topic now Kev "Big time"     it would have to be a brave man etc to stand up here & fight the fight for the manual clocks now.
PS, Do we have any hero's here     .  
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unfortunately no grant has been given to our club and I would say half the members are on ets and half using t3 and stb ...I do notice that the guys on ets are the ones with the long faces if they time a bad bird where as with the guys on t3 they seem a bit more happy go lucky...
I suppose what I am trying to say is that ets for me has taken some fun and also part of the art of trapping away ...how easy do we want pigeon racing to be I mean its the birds that race then trap and time themselves and also I am pretty damn sure a lot of ets pads are situated so the bird does not have to enter the loft ...also the price of ets rings is getting scandalous and will only get worse guys taking them off strays ffs they had the dosh to pay for ets but want to pinch a poxy ets ring ..I think ets has some good uses for guys at work or disabled but don't think it has improved our sport ...maybe it has for guys who want the first ten in the club from 60 miles  

oldstrain wrote:

unfortunately no grant has been given to our club and I would say half the members are on ets and half using t3 and stb ...I do notice that the guys on ets are the ones with the long faces if they time a bad bird where as with the guys on t3 they seem a bit more happy go lucky...
I suppose what I am trying to say is that ets for me has taken some fun and also part of the art of trapping away ...how easy do we want pigeon racing to be I mean its the birds that race then trap and time themselves and also I am pretty damn sure a lot of ets pads are situated so the bird does not have to enter the loft ...also the price of ets rings is getting scandalous and will only get worse guys taking them off strays ffs they had the dosh to pay for ets but want to pinch a poxy ets ring ..I think ets has some good uses for guys at work or disabled but don't think it has improved our sport ...maybe it has for guys who want the first ten in the club from 60 miles  

    First 10 from 60 miles   Pigeon racing at it's best ?????????   Agree with what you say about the positions of ET pads etc "Interpretation" of the rules one would have to say. Fortunately !!!! the ET rings were never an issue for me. Thou !!!!!!!!! I love to do a calculation even now in my head, when the blokes discuss their losses that use ET's. Somehow I carn't help but smile      somehow. My mates between us have a good laugh here about one bloke in particular    around 800 to 1000 ET rings he buys each year, & he is scratching to get a team to the 600 mile race, let alone clock. What makes us fall of our chair etc thou    is he keeps telling everyone he is champion & we all should respect him "The fool that he is". Nice to have money to waste   like him thou.  
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Each to their own, allthough if you are taking 1st 10 places thats more to do with the days elements and your loft position as well as a team of birds ready to do the job at the chosen distance on the day.
As regards the position of the ETS pads that is up to the club to ensure they are in the correct position but the rule is within the confines of the loft "Whatever that means".
For years the fancier with plenty of birds and real estate and an open door with a team of guys helping him to clock em has had a huge advantage of the little guy in his tiny back yard surrounded by houses that the bird has to land on before it can fly down to trap.
ETS is just a great equalizer, we never had a grant in our club, we saved up for one and put it into use the very first raceday it was cleared for use in the UK.
Here in Portugal they were on ETS years before the UK legalised the use of ETS and everybody has it. It is impossible to cheat the clock too and this has happened many times with the old rubbers system with Printer clocks and Toulet clocks.
The only drawback is the cost of ETS rings but thats the individuals choice and if he or she wants them they can buy as many as they like.
This is only the beggining of modern technology in pigeon racing as not too far in the future the birds will carry a ring that will be store information of its line of flight and if it stopped and for how long and maybe even the bird will be able to be tracked live during the race. Time will tell but it will make pigeon racing even more appealing to some new starters along with established fanciers with a mind to know more about their homing skills.
It makes life easier and it is better for the birds and the fanciers for many reasons already pointed out.

i think the pads should be sealed by the clubs secretary
but it would be hard for lads on allotments as we all know theaving little hands will take them
prety sure rene said they were going to do that at his club

spencerline wrote:

Each to their own, allthough if you are taking 1st 10 places thats more to do with the days elements and your loft position as well as a team of birds ready to do the job at the chosen distance on the day.
As regards the position of the ETS pads that is up to the club to ensure they are in the correct position but the rule is within the confines of the loft "Whatever that means".
For years the fancier with plenty of birds and  real estate and an open door with a team of guys helping him to clock em has had a huge advantage of the little guy in his tiny back yard surrounded by houses that the bird has to land on before it can fly down to trap.
ETS is just a great equalizer, we never had a grant in our club, we saved up for one and put it into use the very first raceday it was cleared for use in the UK.
Here in Portugal they were on ETS years before the UK legalised the use of ETS and everybody has it. It is impossible to cheat the clock too and this has happened many times with the old rubbers system with Printer clocks and Toulet clocks.
The only drawback is the cost of ETS rings but thats the individuals choice and if he or she wants them they can buy as many as they like.
This is only the beggining of modern technology in pigeon racing as not too far in the future the birds will carry a ring that will be store information of its line of flight and if it stopped and for how long and maybe even the bird will be able to be tracked live during the race. Time will tell but it will make pigeon racing even more appealing to some new starters along with established fanciers with a mind to know more about their homing skills.
It makes life easier and it is better for the birds and the fanciers for many reasons already pointed out.

totally agree kev gtta be the best thing since sliced bread m8 ive been in the igeon game about 35 yrs on and off and its a sign of things to come m8 wud never use manual clockin again if had my choice