race tonics

what do members use for race tonics

the only tonic i use now ian is johnsons tonic which ive been told is good as its been around for years, i cant tell any difference but it may be ok? the only problem i have with it is that when you put fresh tonic and water in the drinker, after a while it goes to the bottom of the drinker so im not sure they are getting anything from it....

when we raced we used aviform....

have used it before as you know iuse vit b12 now

have you used orego-stim ian, i used bos pellets with it in and the droppings went nice and firm , also fed it to birds when they were rearing ybs...

never used it before david

Johnsons tonic is really just an iron tonic, and you are right it is a problem settling at the bottom of the drinker.
You may laugh at this one but keep a rusty nail in the drinker it will do the same as Johnsons.

they reckon the best tonics are the tonics we use ourselves

I use becomalt and iron syrup over the feed , before a race

I absolutely believe in Iron.

why

Iron is part of hemoglobin, the oxygen-carrying component of the blood. Iron deficient birds tire easily because their bodies are starved for oxygen. Iron is also part of myoglobin, which helps muscle cells store oxygen. Without enough iron, ATP (the fuel the body runs on) cannot be properly synthesized. As a result, some iron-deficient birds become fatigued even when their hemoglobin levels are normal The bloodstream is the body's life support system that nourishes every cell.Thats why i believe in it so much.

ok didnt really know much about it now i do

Grizzle cock wrote:

Iron is part of hemoglobin, the oxygen-carrying component of the blood. Iron deficient birds tire easily because their bodies are starved for oxygen. Iron is also part of myoglobin, which helps muscle cells store oxygen. Without enough iron, ATP (the fuel the body runs on) cannot be properly synthesized. As a result, some iron-deficient birds become fatigued even when their hemoglobin levels are normal The bloodstream is the body's life support system that nourishes every cell.Thats why i believe in it so much.

youre spot on there niel...my wife has full blown anemia and she has to take iron tablets called ferrous sulphate x 4 per day.....if she does too much she is out of breath and has to rest because of low oxygen in the blood.....

might try some of them on the birds...lol

Believe me , i have tested iron several times during training tosses, times are much quicker with iron supplements, than without them.
Of all the tonics, i believe most in Iron, and multivits.

I think honey, and maybe sugar in the drinking water would also help to boost their energy levels.

hi niel have you used electrolytes in the water...... i think you are right, honey is very good too. i bought something called honeygar from a health shop which is cider vinegar and honey mixed which is in liquid form to put in the drinkers.

you certainly know your stuff when it comes to iron niel and about the oxygen and hemoglobin etc...how do you administer it to your birds?

how much does the honeygar cost is it 50% honey 50% cider vinegar quite interested in this as i give mine cidar vinegar once a week i think the honey will take the bitterness out of the vinegar

I gave them iron liqiud over the food, about 10 ml , and about 5 gram of multivit powder also, mix it well , you'll never say there are anything on the food, as it get absorbed by the food, only in extreme conditions i will mix with water, othewise i prefer clean water.

ian, i got it from holland and barret health shop and it was about 3.65 a bottle, im not sure of mixture so ill have a look tommorrow...

niel, i think if given on the food they get it better as in the water half of it seems to be wasted as if you change the water daily you are throwing the vits etc away...like i was saying the other day when i have used the johnsons tonic after a few hours it settles to the bottom of the drinker so its clean water at the top and im not sure the birds have drunk much of it.

Grizzle cock wrote:

I gave them iron liqiud over the food, about 10 ml , and about 5 gram of multivit powder also, mix it well , you'll never say there are anything on the food, as it get absorbed by the food, only in extreme conditions i will mix with water, othewise i prefer clean water.

yes grizzlecock,i agree with you there,fresh water on the day of basketing. been reading what members have had to say and they need a good drink before they go.

the problem is getting them to drink enough before they go , some body i used to know used syringe water down there throat before he would basket ,not for me,

I think another great tonic is adequate rest before a race. One must be very carefull of burning your racers.

what do you mean by adequate rest i keep mine in all day before they go away to race is this enough