Black Maize

More of this starting to be used in various continental mixes. I just thought it was hype so they can charge an extra £1 a bag.

Anyway I just tried a breeding mix with it in because the usual stuff was out of stock, bearing in mind these have never seen it before, the first thing they are going for is the black maize!! There's only a small proportion of black corn in the mix but it stands out and the pigeons are straight on it.

No racists in my team

Aztec corn.
https://specialtyproduce.com/produce/Black_Corn_15401.php#:~:text=Black%20corn%20has%20jet%20black,to%203%20meters%20in%20height.&text=It%20produces%20what%20is%20called,modern%20varieties%20of%20yellow%20corn.

That'll be the stuff hal

i use maize in my breeding mix its always gone when i go to refill their pots ,i suppose there must be 10% at most ...never used the black maize if i am honest atb

if im not mistaken, i think theres a gerry plus mix with black maize in it ..........could be mixed up with something else tho`

They took to it immediately david, like kids in sweetshop

the black version gerry plusis more expensive than the original one for some reason ......

David wrote:

the black version gerry plusis more expensive than the original one for some reason ......

Could be the black stuff isn't as extensively farmed David, making it more expensive. My guess anyway.

maybe so colin, they have had it at the corn shop, but ive always bought the standard / cheaper gerry plus , this was a couple of years ago when i sent a few ybs racing .

Had no ides there was more maize grown than wheat or barley.

Always been used in pigeon feed from the Dog Tooth of my youth to the Horse Beans and peas etc;

Pigeons flew from Rome when all the present polished grains were unheard of.

Never heard of Black Maize before mentioned on site.

Think next thing ACORNS will be the in thing.

Look what those little charmers produce.

Regards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3A3yBoAJS8
Feeding acorns, Youtube.

"Green acorns are known to contain high concentrations of pyrogallol. Here, we describe an extended case report of two pigeons found dead with a filled muscular stomach of acorns. The following pathologic findings were observed: irritation of mucosal membranes in the gastrointestinal tract, blackish discolored chyme, hyperemic organs, and general edemas. The muscular stomach (ventriculus) was filled with pieces of acorns, and the abdominal cavity contained bloody aqueous fluid. In order to uncover the cause of death, we determined pyrogallol in liver and kidney of one dead pigeon and in ventriculus contents of both pigeons by gas chromatography/mass spectrometry. A further aim of our study was to compare pathologic findings and pyrogallol concentrations in kidney, liver, and ventriculus of poisoned pigeons with those of healthy pigeons. The pyrogallol concentrations in samples of dead pigeons were 16-1200-fold higher than in control animals fed grass and maize-corn. Altogether, the acorn-filled ventriculus, the pathologic findings, the well nourished state, and the high pyrogallol concentrations in the dead pigeons suggest an acute pyrogallol poisoning by acorn. With respect to controls, we conclude that pyrogallol concentrations of 6 ng/g of kidney, 8 ng/g of liver, and 2 ng/g of gastric content do not affect the health of pigeons.

My dad used to send us out with buckets to collect acorns, only brown ones that were on the floor, when we got home we had to but our school shoes on and jump up and down on them, after a couple of days when the birds had eaten all the smaller pieces we had to jump on them again, we also had to go to the woods and collect all the ferns for nesting materials.

Never seen it , but will look into it

halcanada81 wrote:

"Green acorns are known to contain high concentrations of pyrogallol. Here, we describe an extended case report of two pigeons found dead with a filled muscular stomach of acorns. The following pathologic findings were observed: irritation of mucosal membranes in the gastrointestinal tract, blackish discolored chyme, hyperemic organs, and general edemas. The muscular stomach (ventriculus) was filled with pieces of acorns, and the abdominal cavity contained bloody aqueous fluid. In order to uncover the cause of death, we determined pyrogallol in liver and kidney of one dead pigeon and in ventriculus contents of both pigeons by gas chromatography/mass spectrometry. A further aim of our study was to compare pathologic findings and pyrogallol concentrations in kidney, liver, and ventriculus of poisoned pigeons with those of healthy pigeons. The pyrogallol concentrations in samples of dead pigeons were 16-1200-fold higher than in control animals fed grass and maize-corn. Altogether, the acorn-filled ventriculus, the pathologic findings, the well nourished state, and the high pyrogallol concentrations in the dead pigeons suggest an acute pyrogallol poisoning by acorn. With respect to controls, we conclude that pyrogallol concentrations of 6 ng/g of kidney, 8 ng/g of liver, and 2 ng/g of gastric content do not affect the health of pigeons.

as with anything a little knowledge in a specific can be dangerous hal eh ...best left alone and besides why use acorns when other stuff is available beggars belief for me when we have alternatives that are completely safe in any quantity atb

most verse laga mixes have it, i've used the superstar black for years, cant say if it makes em go any quicker they went well one year so cant give it up

barnie wrote:

Never seen such a thing down my way here etc which maybe suggests except for the feel good scenario when feeding it to the birds it's really not one of those must have type grains on average if looking for winners .
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to be honest i have never seen black maize in a breeding mix before what company is it colin

Paloma corn Darren, better value comes in 25kg bags

thanks colin gonna have a look

here's link Darren:

Paloma breeder

is it called flojo colin ,thats the only one i could see with black maize ,mixes look great plenty choice to never heard of it before theres no supplier round these parts its either countrywide or versel laga i use the latter

I'll see how they go on it, it's now mixed in with the odd bits of this and that left over from winter feeding, but first time for me feeding what I think of as a light breeding mix. More used to the breed and wean type mixes with added maples. Birds are handling perfect on it though, fed twice a day as much as they want then troughs taken out.

i read an article a few years ago about what grains the birds pick out when breeding ,they like the fats apparently but of course protein is required some pairs eat differently and dont like the small stuff or even go for different grains at different times ,a balanced mix is best eh alot wont use maize while ybs in the nest but they always eat it eh atb