back home now

yes i went up to collect our "75" this morning and not long back i took a quick picture as he is still moulting,nice to see the bird has a yellow eye as this breed does not breed many he also has the 3rd bar like his dam ...he has a back like an anvil and handles like a real nice type with nice feathering to  which is very soft despite being heavy in the moult great to have him back home

very good, nice to see him

Well done oldstrain at least we know he is in good hands.

Looks like he might just moult out well.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Well done oldstrain at least we know he is in good hands.

Looks like he might just moult out well.

Regards.

Same, same a fitting end, in the end    as one could maybe say Misty .

very nice darren, even though he`s still in the moult he looks a nice type .......nice broad shoulders and a clear, bright eye .

looking forward to hearing how ybs go off him .......

thanks lads i got a nice hen for him here ,see how it goes

oldstrain wrote:

thanks lads i got a nice hen for him here ,see how it goes

Hope it's just not a chocolate type etc O/S Often wondered here at times, with these types of situations what they actually maybe remember about their birth place when taking away to another life & then return at a later date type thing.

yeah me to oz often wondered ...bird has settled in immediately so maybe knows where he is eh ,tame to  any others i have got in from the one loft were wild,the hen in mind was one you actually commented on in a photo which was took back in febuary a chequer hen of lefebre dhaenen bloodlines so going back in with the blood thats on the sires side of the pedigree see how it goes eh

Did you lose the pigeon during training or racing? Nice looking pigeon!

paloma blanca wrote:

Did you lose the pigeon during training or racing? Nice looking pigeon!

no paloma, the bird is our 2021 rpra one loft entry, darren originally bred the bird at his loft for our forum syndicate .......after the one loft final the bird went back home to where it was born .

David wrote:

paloma blanca wrote:

Did you lose the pigeon during training or racing? Nice looking pigeon!

no paloma, the bird is our 2021 rpra one loft entry, darren originally bred the bird at his loft for our forum syndicate .......after the one loft final the bird went back home to where it was born .  

Oh ok well how did it do in the race?

oldstrain bred the pigeon as several in the past for the OLR.

All did us proud considering the manner they were treated, this particular season was horrendous for all, losses high in most cases.

80% of the entries were lost, the final in my opinion a farce.

So any actually ending up in the final had earned a future chance.

No doubt oldstrain will have something in mind for it's future and good luck to him.


Regards.

Brought it forward MIKE so you can see the asnwer.

Regards.

yes i was gifted a hen to go with this fella on thursday a daughter of a national winner of brian milkins a cracking blue hen ...will get a pic when i get 5 minutes

oldstrain wrote:

yes i was gifted a hen to go with this fella on thursday a daughter of a national winner of brian milkins a cracking blue hen ...will get a pic when i get 5 minutes

Being somewhat curious here etc O/S I did the old google thing Interesting & it looks as if you must have been in the right place at the right time to maybe pick up a bargain there .

MISTY wrote:

oldstrain bred the pigeon as several in the past for the OLR.

All did us proud considering the manner they were treated, this particular season was horrendous for all, losses high in most cases.

80% of the entries were lost, the final in my opinion a farce.

So any actually ending up in the final had earned a future chance.

No doubt oldstrain will have something in mind for it's future and good luck to him.


Regards.

Thats terrible but in this country there were terrible losses as well. everyone was complaining they never lost so many! Makes you wonder. I myself started with 58 and ended with 24. I'm not sure that is a good metric due to the fact that my breeders were mostly untested pigeons but still they would have come home however slowly!

Mike wrote:

MISTY wrote:

oldstrain bred the pigeon as several in the past for the OLR.

All did us proud considering the manner they were treated, this particular season was horrendous for all, losses high in most cases.

80% of the entries were lost, the final in my opinion a farce.

So any actually ending up in the final had earned a future chance.

No doubt oldstrain will have something in mind for it's future and good luck to him.


Regards.

Thats terrible but in this country there were terrible losses as well. everyone was complaining they never lost so many! Makes you wonder. I myself started with 58 and ended with 24. I'm not sure that is a good metric due to the fact that my breeders were mostly untested pigeons but still they would have come home however slowly!

In a fantasy type world, Mike never a pigeon is lost as such. Real life thou losses are part of the general caper I'm in general for the average type flyer on the whole I suggest. Now here for me, 24 left from 58 & racing as you did there as a first year flyer & you being so far off the general line of flight most weeks apparently, suggests to me you did rather OK, Ok with your bunch of general liquorish all sort types there (mixed breeds)    Always room for improvement, but many a tale could be told, about new comers being completely wiped out in their first year of racing young birds & racing under much easier type conditions than your birds had to bare there most weeks with them flying on their own for many miles off the general line/flight/track as such & being simple young birds types with little experience. End of the day     in some ways two types of pigeons     what I call corridor type pigeons (many coming to the one general spot, at the one time) or loner types     who have the smart factor built in them & think nothing of flying on their own for miles & miles for what one could call the enjoyment or the sheer joy just to reach home to rest up at night     & then joyfully go again the next week, maybe to please the one that just feeds them for the sheer pleasure factor   .  

Knackered wrote:

Mike wrote:

MISTY wrote:

oldstrain bred the pigeon as several in the past for the OLR.

All did us proud considering the manner they were treated, this particular season was horrendous for all, losses high in most cases.

80% of the entries were lost, the final in my opinion a farce.

So any actually ending up in the final had earned a future chance.

No doubt oldstrain will have something in mind for it's future and good luck to him.


Regards.

Thats terrible but in this country there were terrible losses as well. everyone was complaining they never lost so many! Makes you wonder. I myself started with 58 and ended with 24. I'm not sure that is a good metric due to the fact that my breeders were mostly untested pigeons but still they would have come home however slowly!

In a fantasy type world, Mike never a pigeon is lost as such. Real life thou losses are part of the general caper I'm in general for the average type flyer on the whole I suggest. Now here for me, 24 left from 58 & racing as you did there as a first year flyer & you being so far off the general line of flight most weeks apparently, suggests to me you did rather OK, Ok with your bunch of general liquorish all sort types there (mixed breeds)    Always room for improvement, but many a tale could be told, about new comers being completely wiped out in their first year of racing young birds & racing under much easier type conditions than your birds had to bare there most weeks with them flying on their own for many miles off the general line/flight/track as such & being simple young birds types with little experience. End of the day     in some ways two types of pigeons     what I call corridor type pigeons (many coming to the one general spot, at the one time) or loner types     who have the smart factor built in them & think nothing of flying on their own for miles & miles for what one could call the enjoyment or the sheer joy just to reach home to rest up at night     & then joyfully go again the next week, maybe to please the one that just feeds them for the sheer pleasure factor   .  

When I got 100% returns on my last two races I knew I was on to something!
I was glad to have my friends back and proud of them. They seem to be glad to see me even when I have to pick them up, they get over it very quickly. I would really like to race next year but the price of fuel is now unreasonable to do anything other than only the nesesary esential travel so road training doesn't qualify unfortunatly.

Knackered wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

yes i was gifted a hen to go with this fella on thursday a daughter of a national winner of brian milkins a cracking blue hen ...will get a pic when i get 5 minutes

Being somewhat curious here etc O/S I did the old google thing Interesting & it looks as if you must have been in the right place at the right time to maybe pick up a bargain there .

its out of his messac national winner oz as brian won 2 nationals,
i take care of a loft now and then oz when my freind is on holiday and thats where the hen came from...the smeulders in the breeding will go well  as our 75 here has that bird (smeulders) already in his make up i also have a cock here inbred to inteelt smeulders which is probably the best breeder smeulders has produced inteelt actually means inbreeding in dutch...frans zwols best pigeons came from the smeulders in my opinion but it was not his bird but was used as a cross into his own bit its all trial and error oz just have to see how it pans out

Hi Mike.

Maybe you could reduce the numbers and go on open loft.

Once the pigeons get used to raptors in the area they learn how to avoid them,
nature.

On open loft you do not need to train and the pigeons get more excersise than taking them a few miles down the road every day.

Also the fewer you keep the more you know them as individuals which helps in 
motivation which wins races.

On another subject mike, how are things regarding this diabolical virus problem?  
trust you and yours are OK.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Hi Mike.

Maybe you could reduce the numbers and go on open loft.

Once the pigeons get used to raptors in the area they learn how to avoid them,
nature.

On open loft you do not need to train and the pigeons get more excersise than taking them a few miles down the road every day.

Also the fewer you keep the more you know them as individuals which helps in 
motivation which wins races.

On another subject mike, how are things regarding this diabolical virus problem?  
trust you and yours are OK.

Regards.

Mike being somewhat new to the caper etc I suspect somehow maybe he has a wee bit to learn still, about our Rome scenario in general Misty, in a pigeon type sense. We all in different ways well most of us have budget problems issues on average at times with our birds & I found here over many years, a bit of lateral thinking at times along the Rome lines, normally finds a solution somehow more times than not to a issue when putting the thinking cap on. Now we all know petrol in certain ways now unfortunately plays a large part with our pigeons for those that tend to drive. One way here I cut down the miles on the budget side, was always go against where ever the blows at its hardest, north south east or west never worried me the least, fortunately & a 80 odd mile toss simply becomes a 40 mile toss & you save on petrol time & energy type of thing, more times than not & your birds become somehow smarter in the process . Now, didn't mention my thoughts     here on club/unit tossing     as just a total waste of space/time     I suspect, knowing Mike           is like a shag on a rock     in the middle of no where there, when seeing how he is placed so far off line in miles apparently to his fella club mates.

oldstrain wrote:

Knackered wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

yes i was gifted a hen to go with this fella on thursday a daughter of a national winner of brian milkins a cracking blue hen ...will get a pic when i get 5 minutes

Being somewhat curious here etc O/S I did the old google thing Interesting & it looks as if you must have been in the right place at the right time to maybe pick up a bargain there .

its out of his messac national winner oz as brian won 2 nationals,
i take care of a loft now and then oz when my freind is on holiday and thats where the hen came from...the smeulders in the breeding will go well  as our 75 here has that bird (smeulders) already in his make up i also have a cock here inbred to inteelt smeulders which is probably the best breeder smeulders has produced inteelt actually means inbreeding in dutch...frans zwols best pigeons came from the smeulders in my opinion but it was not his bird but was used as a cross into his own bit its all trial and error oz just have to see how it pans out

Gotcha just put me down thou etc   for the first pair of babies there now O/S & seeing as I'm now a poor old pensioner type, I will try to get my mate, the little fat bloke here to pay for them all as such .

if it were possible you certainly would not have to go to the little dumpy fella oz the pleasure would be all mine as i have a good memory and what goes round comes round

MISTY wrote:

Hi Mike.

Maybe you could reduce the numbers and go on open loft.

Once the pigeons get used to raptors in the area they learn how to avoid them,
nature.

On open loft you do not need to train and the pigeons get more excersise than taking them a few miles down the road every day.

Also the fewer you keep the more you know them as individuals which helps in 
motivation which wins races.

On another subject mike, how are things regarding this diabolical virus problem?  
trust you and yours are OK.

Regards.

I have been intrigued Ever since I read your responce. Been thinking about it all day! My main question is how to go about it? when to feed and so on. It's a very interesting aproach. Have you done this to train pigeons?

Knackered wrote:

MISTY wrote:

Hi Mike.

Maybe you could reduce the numbers and go on open loft.

Once the pigeons get used to raptors in the area they learn how to avoid them,
nature.

On open loft you do not need to train and the pigeons get more excersise than taking them a few miles down the road every day.

Also the fewer you keep the more you know them as individuals which helps in 
motivation which wins races.

On another subject mike, how are things regarding this diabolical virus problem?  
trust you and yours are OK.

Regards.

Mike being somewhat new to the caper etc I suspect somehow maybe he has a wee bit to learn still, about our Rome scenario in general Misty, in a pigeon type sense. We all in different ways well most of us have budget problems issues on average at times with our birds & I found here over many years, a bit of lateral thinking at times along the Rome lines, normally finds a solution somehow more times than not to a issue when putting the thinking cap on. Now we all know petrol in certain ways now unfortunately plays a large part with our pigeons for those that tend to drive. One way here I cut down the miles on the budget side, was always go against where ever the blows at its hardest, north south east or west never worried me the least, fortunately & a 80 odd mile toss simply becomes a 40 mile toss & you save on petrol time & energy type of thing, more times than not & your birds become somehow smarter in the process . Now, didn't mention my thoughts     here on club/unit tossing     as just a total waste of space/time     I suspect, knowing Mike           is like a shag on a rock     in the middle of no where there, when seeing how he is placed so far off line in miles apparently to his fella club mates.

That is a great idea use the wind to strengthen the pigeons and also young pigeons need to learn to fight the wind which they (in my experience) don't do very well. Very helpful advice and worth not sharing with my competitors!