Apple Cider Vinegar

whats members thoughts on apple cider vinegar in the pigeons water ...?

David wrote:

whats members thoughts on apple cider vinegar in the pigeons water ...?

Rather over rated I'm from my perspective here David. One of those feel good type issues, more so for the owner as such on average. If used, far better value mixed on the feed side than in water troughs. End of the story defining moment here for me was years ago when I viewed one of those Ad Shalarkins (hopefully you will know who I mean) videos on the subject matter & he visited a local champion who he held in high regard at the time for the results he achieved on the racing side. ACV was mentioned there through the discussion & the man smiled with a rather big smile & said total waste of money for the better part I found, as I use most days here simple fish & chip type vinegar which is far better value all up    .

mike staddon used malt vinegar to ,never bothered with it once i read that to have desired effect you would need so much vinegar that birds would not drink it ,its all about the ph levels in the water killing bad bacteria but apple cider vinegar given at low levels ie 5 mil per litre of water can act as a good prebiotic ,you should try it sometime oz

oldstrain wrote:

mike staddon used malt vinegar to ,never bothered with it once i read that to have desired effect you would need so much vinegar that birds would not drink it ,its all about the ph levels in the water killing bad bacteria but apple cider vinegar given at low levels ie 5 mil per litre of water can act as a good prebiotic ,you should try it sometime oz

Would have tried it as with all the other so called aids to win when I saw the swifts and other wild birds that cover thousands of miles a year waiting at the chemists shop.

Think I crossed swords a few times with Staddon.

Regards.

you dont know what your missing misty ,the golden nectar the elixor of life came out of the wild west back in 1870

oldstrain wrote:

you dont know what your missing misty ,the golden nectar the elixor of life came out of the wild west back in 1870

That's why there are no vacancies in the hospital beds

Months to see doctor.

Regards.

oldstrain wrote:

mike staddon used malt vinegar to ,never bothered with it once i read that to have desired effect you would need so much vinegar that birds would not drink it ,its all about the ph levels in the water killing bad bacteria but apple cider vinegar given at low levels ie 5 mil per litre of water can act as a good prebiotic ,you should try it sometime oz

Prebiotic is he related somehow in anyway shape or form to Mr probiotic etc O/S all above my head here I'm in a pigeon sense Unless one perhaps looks into Kefir as a magic type potion in that general type area, maybe    .

oldstrain wrote:

you dont know what your missing misty ,the golden nectar the elixor of life came out of the wild west back in 1870

Indian or cowboy side O/S 150 odd years it appears of spin & bling apparently one could perhaps suggest.

kefir is good kit to oz add freshly chopped fruit the jobs a good un i usually add berries or forest fruits from good old del monte frozen fruits ,you could even add apple but make sure there not bitter

oldstrain wrote:

kefir is good kit to oz add freshly chopped fruit the jobs a good un i usually add berries or forest fruits from good old del monte frozen fruits ,you could even add apple but make sure there not bitter

90 odd Billion     of the good guys in every serve down here etc O/S makes pigeon probiotics on average to a degree look rather meek somehow, I suggest .

for me the other alternative to Apple Cider Vinegar would be to place slices of lemon in the drinker just as good

Don Webb wrote:

for me the other alternative to Apple Cider Vinegar would be to place slices of lemon in the drinker just as good

The fact is that putting a load of products down a pigeons throat has resulted in the overall decline in their health now needing constant medication, left unmedicated very few would survive.

A pigeon does not need any artificial aids to success, just a fancier who understands nature.

The commercial boys have a field day with the gullible.

Regards.

i tried cider vinegar yesterday, 2 table spoons to a gallon of water......... not sure if its the right dosage but maybe someone can advise .

going to give once or twice per week, but will try find out more info before i do that .

5mil per litre i think david ,put it on the corn and add pink mineral

so 2 table spoons to a gallon will be something about right then darren ...?

10 mil for 2 litre david a tablespoon is 15 mil but syringe will be more accurate as spoon sizes vary ,just moisten the corn with it much easier

David wrote:

so 2 table spoons to a gallon will be something about right then darren ...?

Only thing I used was garlic, read 75 or more years ago the Roman soldiers had to eat a clove a day.

It has all the properties necessary for good health and good immunity, think mix and matching all the things available a very bad mistake.

If all the products available were any good why are so many pigeons ill and lost from a couple of miles down the road ?.

Why do fanciers get YBS every year, in clinical lofts with all the latest fads involved ?.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

David wrote:

so 2 table spoons to a gallon will be something about right then darren ...?

Only thing I used was garlic, read 75 or more years ago the Roman soldiers had to  eat a clove a day.

It has all the properties necessary for good health and good immunity, think mix and matching all the things available a very bad mistake.

If all the products available were any good why are so many pigeons ill and lost from a couple of miles down the road ?.

Why do fanciers get YBS every year, in clinical lofts with all the latest fads involved ?.

Regards.

Always been rather fascinated here etc Misty with your lot there & the regular yearly type issue of YBS rearing it's ugly head as such apparently for many of your flyers. Strange has me completely baffled I'm truth be told.

Don Webb wrote:

for me the other alternative to Apple Cider Vinegar would be to place slices of lemon in the drinker just as good

Value for money Don hard to beat a lemon tree etc 2 is even better as its quite extraordinary I found how many ice blocks one can make at times, for future need type thing.

its quite simple really,always bringing in new birds and treating pigeons to the hilt has an adverse effect if you bring in new stock every year you will never have a sound loft imo your just bringing in problems all the time ,to much treatment stiffles the immune system and ruins it,oh and the darkness has real implications in my humble opinion and is never worth it chasing yb results my best seasons with ybs were natural apart from puting the light on until 10pm once it had got dark it helped keep the wing for a few weeks more and was able to race competitively until the last race and win   that darkness has alot to answer for you are messing with mother nature far too much imo