what strain of pigeons do you have for long distance racing 600 to 730 miles

jan aarden, ko-nipius, willy thass, vandewegan, delbar, van hee, flore engle, soffle, logan, stasart, old n barker, kenyons , mieavart, flints, van loon,leo van rien,herman, karl bourks, now blended together,now known as van edgies, all bred for the job and ready to be tested:

Figers crossed all goes well edgie

red southwells of champion red rum,champion rio, mick young dark spangles champion heatwave.

grooters and bricoux x sions and the two together seem to be the best bet

southwells all sons &daughters of the champs
jan ardens kuyper bros jan theelens dist van loons brakuis sean

my distance birds are, soin or sion crosses, bushaerts, and a mix of other distance blood.

spencerline wrote:

I thought I would reply to this thread as I have just discovered that I have a few old breeding pairs of Pros Roosens and Pol Bostyns that I have kind of inherited from my friend here in the Algarve.

I have had good success in all the races over 500 miles and the only 2 over 600 miles that I have been able to enter with some of these birds, the same birds have scored at 250 miles too.

I found an old ledger book a few days ago and I have managed to trace certain birds breeding records right back to 1985 and every one of the top performers is either a Bostyn or a Pros Roosens bird, one is a cross.

What makes this even better is the breed has been kept pure as 2 other fanciers in Portugal also had these birds brought here the Pros Roosens in "85" and Bostyns long before that and every couple of years they used to exchange a few birds to keep the breed from becoming too inbred.

I have been the only one to time in from Dax and Barcelona in my immediate area these last 2 years with these birds and  we fly the furthest in our Federation abd in fact the whole country and I am now going to focus my efforts into breeding more of these great birds in greater numbers to preserve the breeds and future Distance racing.

Hi Kevin. New here. Congrats on your win over 10,000 birds!!

halcanada wrote:

spencerline wrote:

I thought I would reply to this thread as I have just discovered that I have a few old breeding pairs of Pros Roosens and Pol Bostyns that I have kind of inherited from my friend here in the Algarve.

I have had good success in all the races over 500 miles and the only 2 over 600 miles that I have been able to enter with some of these birds, the same birds have scored at 250 miles too.

I found an old ledger book a few days ago and I have managed to trace certain birds breeding records right back to 1985 and every one of the top performers is either a Bostyn or a Pros Roosens bird, one is a cross.

What makes this even better is the breed has been kept pure as 2 other fanciers in Portugal also had these birds brought here the Pros Roosens in "85" and Bostyns long before that and every couple of years they used to exchange a few birds to keep the breed from becoming too inbred.

I have been the only one to time in from Dax and Barcelona in my immediate area these last 2 years with these birds and  we fly the furthest in our Federation abd in fact the whole country and I am now going to focus my efforts into breeding more of these great birds in greater numbers to preserve the breeds and future Distance racing.

Hi Kevin. New here. Congrats on your win over 10,000 birds!!

Seeing as Halcanada     has resurrected this topic etc I will just throw mine into the pot of mystery here, in regards to what we all race/raced etc. I call mine the Moukas/Eaton pigeons     Direct & anybody that would know them       here, would know !!! why I go to sleep, till I get to the 350 miles + stage & a head wind, type of thing. Before I wake from my slumber.  

Never heard of them! But again, different countries different pigeons usually. Won a 600 here years back with a des-methys. But long distance racing here is no longer popular. We have 1 500 a year in this Fed. Used to be two plus a six hundred. No water to cross. Seems like if the birds cannot make it on the day fanciers do not want to wait. Me, I am lazy. Longer I wait for birds in the sunshine more beer I drink! But each to their own. Hour drive to the club for me. No e-clocks allowed in my club so have to be here. Head wind course so a 500 miler on the day is good. As said, not much interest in the distance races here. No crossing the Channel or Irish sea. Those are tough pigeons.

Must say though the best I have had are Van Loons and Jules Gallez Oude Vos or similar name red bloodlines. Many generations removed.

halcanada wrote:

Never heard of them! But again, different countries different pigeons usually. Won a 600 here years back with a des-methys. But long distance racing here is no longer popular. We have 1 500 a year in this Fed. Used to be two plus a six hundred. No water to cross. Seems like if the birds cannot make it on the day fanciers do not want to wait. Me, I am lazy. Longer I wait for birds in the sunshine more beer I drink! But each to their own. Hour drive to the club for me. No e-clocks allowed in my club so have to be here. Head wind course so a 500 miler on the day is good. As said, not much interest in the distance races here. No crossing the Channel or Irish sea. Those are tough pigeons.  

That's ok Halcanada "Never heard of them"      Could I suggest to you    your looking in the wrong direction etc here. Any water mine have to cross      is called Bass Strait.   
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I think you will find those Moukas/ Eaton pigeons have a lot of the Old Jurion Blood running throu there Veins & Fly 600 miles &further  has babies ; cheers

i am trying to get a team together for the distance races i e nationals
and they have shown some promise but not as yet been across the channel the ones i have is jan theellens jan ardens kyper bros southwells and some geoff kirklands but time will tell if they got the guts for the job in hand sean

im sure halcanada means desmet matthys pigeons ...Kirkland has some of this blood in his birds and the queen had jurion blood I would think its still their in the lofts ...interesting subject atb

strange how certain breeds of pigeons turn up in many other "breeds" the desmet-matthys birds were instrumental in the basis of the lefebre-dhaenens pigeons, which were short to middle distance birds....along with a few other breeds.

killer wrote:

I think you will find those Moukas/ Eaton pigeons have a lot of the Old Jurion Blood running throu there Veins & Fly 600 miles &further  has babies ; cheers

I would say you could be right their Killer     Alice Springs to Adelaide         comes to mind for one of them etc & the other one       was the best man at my wedding, many many years ago here & so I would be so bold as to suggest     I would know the hidden truth      in regards to what make up his breed was.   
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seanl wrote:

southwells  all sons &daughters of the champs
jan ardens kuyper bros  jan theelens  dist van loons  brakuis   sean

If you do not mind me asking sean..what lines of southwells..?? also how old are the southwells you are racing? and have they done anything whatsoever for you as of yet mate.
Thanks

oldstrain wrote:

im sure halcanada means desmet matthys pigeons ...Kirkland has some of this blood in his birds and the queen had jurion blood I would think its still their in the lofts ...interesting subject atb

Yes you are right. Dont know the Bass straight. Only went to Queensland and area.

Seanl I have a few different distance birds Jan Aarden, Muller aadens, eric canon, jos thon`e, Brachuis, all mixed together I think none is better than the other if you do go into distance you have to try a lot to find the one that flys for you, you have aadens from one chap that dont fly, dont condem them all, try diffrent ones blend them in its not easy to get in to, once you get some to fly for you, you cant stand still bring in other birds to mix in, in fact by what I can see you wouldnt go far wrong getting some from edgie he seems to have some good distance birds good luck to you in your new venture

Bass Strait is between mainland Australia & Tasmania ;known has the Roaring 40's ;It where the Sydney to Hobart Boat Race happens every year ; shortest distance over 150 miles of water ; when we race back up here close on 300 miles of open ocean & 565 miles altold ; cheers

killer wrote:

Bass Strait is between mainland Australia & Tasmania ;known has the Roaring 40's ;It where the Sydney to Hobart Boat Race happens every year ;  shortest distance over 150 miles of water ; when we race back up here close on 300 miles of open ocean & 565 miles altold ; cheers  

OK. Understand. Tasmanian Devils! Like Marcos Ambrose. Sprint cup driver. Marmite man!
Fosters beer was crap there. Dr Penfolds was a subtle wine cheap and good % of alcohol. Subtle meaning after the first glass no one give a crap!
Some of you folks were in this area few years back. Buying Houbens. Think they lifted the import restrictions then? Previuos to imports you folks had to work with the old strains I believe? Remember reading of two birds that trapped in two different lofts from a 1000 miles minutes apart years ago. Excellent!

i think alott of the old austrailian blood carries the old northropp barker strain, could anyone enlighten  

halcanada wrote:

killer wrote:

Bass Strait is between mainland Australia & Tasmania ;known has the Roaring 40's ;It where the Sydney to Hobart Boat Race happens every year ;  shortest distance over 150 miles of water ; when we race back up here close on 300 miles of open ocean & 565 miles altold ; cheers  

OK. Understand. Tasmanian Devils! Like Marcos Ambrose. Sprint cup driver. Marmite man!
Fosters beer was crap there. Dr Penfolds was a subtle wine cheap and  good % of alcohol. Subtle meaning after the first glass no one give a crap!
Some of you folks were in this area few years back. Buying Houbens. Think they lifted the import restrictions then? Previuos to imports you folks had to work with the old strains I believe?  Remember reading of two birds that trapped in two different lofts from a 1000 miles minutes apart years ago. Excellent!

You have got the drift     Halcanada. I was a great fan of Marcus Ambrose etc when he raced in the V/8s down here, before he went to yanky land to race. Don't you dare     knock our vegemite    as I have two slices every morning without fail    & how in god's name    you could say fosters is a crap beer etc if you were in Queensland drinking there local crap beer 4xxxx I do not know. Those 1000 mile tosses   were few & far between here for what I remember & now !!! they just have sprint races I'm   like  "Alice springs to Adelaide" around 800/850 miles   .  
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Well said! Actually we have Marmite in the cupboard. Had it in Queensland were I jumped ship in Rockhampton. Close to Townsville. Cut cane for a week or three. Brutal but Marmite kept me going! Never seen any pigeons there except doves.Son in law lives in Sydney. Never could understand why he left Canada to go there. Oh well. Win the lotto first place I will head for! Rainy fog bound UK, freezing cold Canada, pigeons race in any conditions regardless.

Alice Springs to Adelaide. 800 plus. That is some distance! Do not know of any country other than China flying that distance.