E T S to have or not

my pads are inside the loft chad two wrongs dont make a right

My Grandpa always said that, Ian.
Just for that I will put it inside my loft it can only cost a second at most, still faster than pulling a rubber and banging a clock.

Heres another that shows just how much the bird has to touch the pad to clock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYMRZ2ahwoQ

ggod on you mate like you say wont take much off you time mate

some people are desperate to win and will bend the rules a bit...............

My dad has ETS he is 85 and he think it great
in my club we all just have Benzing clocks

terrible,having pads outside is wrong...these people should be banned.any form of cheating is wrong...how can these men or women even say they have won a race knowing that they are cheating,i have never been able to understand this...if thats the case about people putting pads outside theit lofts we should all be able to do it then..then again they will just think of another way to cheat i suppose

at the end of the day ray there only cheating there self mate and they know that at least when you go to bed at night you can sleep knowing you won fair i ber they dont
cheats never win ray they always get found out in the end

just heard a good one tonight , apparently top flyers in this country are using something called amp 5 or something loke that,it is used in horseracing as well.how disgusting is that.if that is true i say ban the lot of them .i spend good money every week and work hard to get my birds to win and these people do these thing,terrible somrthing has to be done if this is true..so sometimes when we blame our birds for not trying we should,nt do if these things are happening....has anyone else heard of this

birdy2011 wrote:

at the end of the day ray there only cheating there self mate and they know that at least when you go to bed at night you can sleep knowing you won fair i ber they dont
cheats never win ray they always get found out in the end

thats true graham, they are cheating themselves..........but one thing i personally beleive is that this cheating will also enhance their chances of selling birds to the pigeon man who is looking to buy good/winning stock, therefor ripping them off...

what do you think ?

i agree david note in most adds they never reveal birds or members sent in club
but advert reads 20x1st clubs you see um in results every week 4 sent 45 birds winner takes first 10 against what i ask you nothing but it reads good to the untrained eye
some feds are 300 birds how many clubs dose that mean and how many members to me it means nothing a good club sending 300 400 is the place to find good birds not a fed with 300 going

i agree david note in most adds they never reveal birds or members sent in club
but advert reads 20x1st clubs you see um in results every week 4 sent 45 birds winner takes first 10 against what i ask you nothing but it reads good to the untrained eye
some feds are 300 birds how many clubs dose that mean and how many members to me it means nothing a good club sending 300 400 is the place to find good birds not a fed with 300 going

also ive noticed quite a lot is stock birds for sale, in the description it never tells you what offspring they have bred, or if they have won anything.......all they seem to tell you is what the grandparents are and what they have won or bred,

what i as a buyer would want to know is what the ybs bred off these "stock birds" have won.......without proven results they shouldnt be classed as proven stock should they.

birdy2011 wrote:

i agree david note in most adds they never reveal birds or members sent in club
but advert reads 20x1st clubs you see um in results every week 4 sent 45 birds winner takes first 10 against what i ask you nothing but it reads good to the untrained eye
some feds are 300 birds how many clubs dose that mean and how many members to me it means nothing a good club sending 300 400 is the place to find good birds not a fed with 300 going

a lot of clubs are like this graham not many members in the club therefore much easier to pick up wins they are selling birds because of this , but when it comes to racing in a big club they are nowhere

theres all so some better flyers in bigger clubs at the end of the season selling birds on pedigee alone yet the birds have done nothing or very little.

i think its a mine field when buying pigeons fred, every man and his dog is selling "top quality birds" so its buyer beware im afraid.