Eye Sign in breeding pigeons

Hi Don , all the eyes are in seperate file folders and I rung the birds with diff coloured split rings after photographing so I can find them easier.

I have just been to the site and checked and all the files are opening ok, maybe there was a blip with the website last night, Kev.

http://algarvepigeonracing.webs.com/apps/photos/

Hi again to anyone interested in Eyesign, I have made a few adjustments to the website hosting all the photographs so it should work better or faster, as I say any comments good or bad will be appreciated, Kev

http://algarvepigeonracing.webs.com/apps/photos/

Hi kev let me first say well done on the photos nice job have had a look through but as i say "I KNOW NOTHING" will PM you with the birds i like and if you can tell me if i am correct or on the right track cheers Don

i just like to make sure they have 2

Well thats a good policy, I like them to have two good ones too.

http://algarvepigeonracing.webs.com/apps/photos/

Don Webb wrote:

Hi kev let me first say well done on the photos nice job have had a look through but as i say "I KNOW NOTHING" will PM you with the birds i like and if you can tell me if i am correct or on the right track cheers Don

come on don, you cant do that.................. let it be known which you would say were winners or breeders of winners, and who knows some of the others might give their opinion on them too and we could find out whos right........


ill stick my neck out if you do don, come on martyn you too............

hi is it kev? i tried to understand this eyesign about 30-40 years ago it was just the one circle around the pupil now they say there are 5 circles +a mountain range is it possible to take one of your eyes and explain what this all means cheers george

i george, click on the jack barkel site link at the top of the page and it explains the five circles...........

once on the site click eyesign evaluation and iridoligy

I don't reali get all this eye sign stuff or w.e else people use I.e body shapes or wing steps ect if I like to birds they get paired together and so far had a 2nd club and some guy had 2 1st from I bird I bred so good enuff for me

i think some pigeon men make pigeon keeping/breeding /racing harder than it needs to be...............

I think so 2 david I don't care ill just change pairs around if they don't breed anythink good after 3 years as I only started last year I'm no to fused tbh longs there yound come home in a ok time

it dont pay to think too much............

thanks David the 3 dvds i have are by Rob Woolliss george

Good job I'm to simple to think

ah yes hear of him, also seen his videos on youtube...........personally i think jack barkel is the best out of them all simply because he explains why he thinks a certain eye is any good or not...and doesnt just talk a load of waffle like the rest of them...........hes actually researched his theories and findings and come to a logical conclusion.

only confuse yourself if you think too much...............

looking at the first lot of eyes if i was picking any of them out i would pick .
the 1st one on the right , 2nd on the left , and the last one on the left , there all things i look for in pigeons
i don,t study eyes but to me there good strong eyes 2 of them are what we call pearl eyes they seem to be good all round racers .

out of the eyes on the first page i would choose the 5th eye on the right and the 5th eye on the left.

rainbow wrote:

hi is it kev? i tried to understand this eyesign about 30-40 years ago it was just the one circle around the pupil now they say there are 5 circles +a mountain range is it possible to take one of your eyes and explain what this all means cheers george

Hi George, as David says on the site where my pictures are there is a link to very easy to understand Eyesign experts site his name is Myron Kulik.

If you are unsure of anything if you send Myron an email he will be only to happy to help you to understand what you are looking for in a breeders Eye.

I am new to eye sign myself but it is very interesting and I believe there is something to it.

Myron has been assessing my photos and he picked out my 2 best racers from around 20 pictures I sent him, he didnt know their results and he told me they have excellent breeding Qualities in their eyes.

As from tomorrow Myron will be telling me which to pair to which and why.

When I have the relevant info I will of course post it on the site. If you have any birds that you can take a good picture of, (its not too hard with 2 people on a sunny day) not a problem here in Portugal but a light bulb can be used instead of sun.

Put the macro setting on the camera and get as close as you can to the eye to stay in focus around 5 cm to 7 cm is close enough, the left eye was the ones I did so the light needs to come into the birds eye from behind the camera from the left side. Then you dont block it out.

Take 5 or 6 or more shots of the eye, then when editing the pics you just crop the eye out of the sharpest of your images and save the file.

Then if you send the pics to Myron via email he will give you an assessment of the eyeball he loves looking at pigeons eyes, lol.

Sorry to all the guys who think eyesign is rubbish but I think it is a fun and good talking point to get through the long winter, lol.

In any case it has at least as much credibility as selecting birds by physical shapes. Birds win in all shapes and sizes but super breeders have super eyes.

Yours in sport Kev

http://algarvepigeonracing.webs.com/apps/links/

thanks David i 've just had a look and find it very boring if any one would like 2 of the dvds they can have them for free i will keep the Irish one for the lofts not eye sign dvds are titled EYE SIGN THE ULTIMATE SELECTION

i kev, i used to study eyesign years ago but to be honest in my opinion it isnt proven enough to be of any relevance to racing, altho i think it is of benefit to breeding in some cases.........i read in the weeky pigeon mags where eyesign experts give their opinion of certain eyes and it seems they already know what the birds have won and just describe the eye.........

if an eyesign "expert "could come to my club on basketting night, examine all the birds being sent and tell me which bird is going to win the race, then i would be a beleiver........

this doesnt mean i am totally against looking at the eyes, they are interesting...and like you point out, a winner never seems to have a bad looking eye does it........

if you look at one of our members called chanco who sadly died last year, you will find he offered 1,000 pounds on all the major pigeon forums challanging any eyesign expert to explain the theory and come to pick the winners from his pigeons, no one took the thousand pounds.............

David wrote:

i kev,

if an eyesign "expert "could come to my club on basketting night, examine all the birds being sent and tell me which bird is going to win the race, then i would be a beleiver........:

Hi David thats a good point but an eyesign expert cannot tell you what bird will win because he doesnt know what you fed it and how much you fed that bird or how well it is motivated.

He can however tell you which birds he thinks that you will have the most chance of breeding winners from.

It is Ideal for me as I have 130 pigeons of various ages from a champion fancier here in the Algarve that have been dormant in a huge aviary for 4 years or so, crying out to be bred from. So making the best pairs will be done by eyesign and it will also be a good test of the theory.

But it makes me laugh when a fancier hands me a bird and says what do you think of that bird? apart from feeling for silky feathers to repel bad weather and feeling for spongy muscles thats all I can do.

And most birds in modern racing lofts have those nowadays, I just say well you tell me because you know its racing results. Lol, but each to their own way of selecting.

hi kev, yes i agree in this situation you have with the 130 birds....all you can do really is go on eyesign and handling the birds, i say handling them because some eyesign judges not only evaluate the eys but also take how the birds handle in to account too.

jack barkel once told me that eyesign pairings can and does alter the build/shape of the bird, so this could be why birds which have supposed excellent eys have horrible bodies and never go on to win a race..........

i agree that the expert cannot take into account how the bird is fed etc, but i do think this is an excuse and a cop out for when their choice goes wrong.........as we all know luck already plays a part in racing so its no good saying this certain pigeon should win if it is fed right.

Hi David I would like to see someone handle all the birds going to the race and then pick out the winning bird that way by feel. Once again he would have no chance of success because he didnt prep the bird all he can say is its fit.

I know that loads of boney , angular birds that are struggling in the hand win races and that loads of pretty looking supposedly well balanced birds dont win anything.

The show pens are full of these pretty birds that arnt worth a carrot in a race or at least a long distance race.

Some fanciers are good at breeding birds others are better at racing birds a genuine eye sign man is a selector of breeding birds, it doesnt mean he or she has any talent for racing them or keeping them Healthy.

Hi I been looking at your excellant eye pictures and I think you have some cracking birds among them, I think a lot of racing eyes, which mostly in my opinion dont tell much but thats the way with racers. However I have looked at them closely and have a few ring numbers for you. They might turn out to be your worst birds and I will look a fool, but thats what these forums are for opinions and heres mine. If I were to start up these are the ones I would take home.
2011-1325503 racer /breeder
2005-5446091 breeder
2001-1486649 racer/breeder
2005-5679088 good racer
1986-886867 good racer
2001-1161624 breeder
1998-8430240 good breeder
2007-7501642 good distance racer /breeder

I would be interested if I have picked correctly or incorectly as you know there results and I dont, thanks.