well 62 yb/s weaned but do i realy needthis lot lol ?

well ybs weaned and goin out but it hard work with this lot i know i said i wanted a gd team round me to start of cud never imagine keepin this many yr after yr and gt another 30 eggs and chicks in stock loft omg

You don't mate and your just making work for yourself.
You know that as well as anyone..
Thirty is my limit and that is that.

62 ybs wow, thats a lot of birds to watch steve........... i had about 25 at one point last season and i couldnt keep my eyes on them, it was a nightmare watching out for cats etc......

good luck with them steve, hope theres plenty of winners amoung them.......

yes 60 ybs is to much for me also lol christ thats some sh**e to shift only bred 20 this year and 30 last year its a nice size team to have around 30 but i would never knock mob flyers because they pays their money so its up to them what they do just not for me lol

ye i know its alot ov yb/s but as gaz knows me to well there will be a few of these go in bin very soon only the best will be allowed to stay as i never kept more than 30 ybs its alrite if you gt an established 1 2 and3 yr olds but only want 18 cocks and hens fom this lot and wud never send more than 25 to a race anyway ide rather send 25 fit ones than 45 half fit pigeons plus i gt 2 clubs to race in so wudnt be mob flyin carnt see the point every 1 ov them yb/s will have to earn there perch for sure any slip ups then its weely bin for them mite sound harsh but not gonna have any idiots around here

i sometimes worry about fanciers like you we talk how our birds are being killed by the sparrowhawk and you stewhit come on and announce you are going to slaughter up to 30 birds i think things like this should be kept to yourself george

last season i had a yb a blue hen 1st race came back next day 2nd race 19th to the loft out of 21 ybs sent 3rd race 2nd to loft 4th club and her 4th and final race near 200 miles in headwind she was 1st club and just made the top 20 in the open.i think ybs can turn themselves around and theirs the proof jmo but i would never be to hasty to cull any birds but especialy ybs

personally i wouldnt kill ybs, as they are only learning in their first year........altho if i did have 60 ybs i do think the best out of them would need to be found while any which were not up to scratch or holding the others back etc would have to be moved on...........also out of 60 ybs im sure some would show signs of weakness or illness at some point and these would be removed probably.

I know where George is coming from, as these sort of statements at the mo, keep coming back to haunt us.

young ins are funny as some take time to learn but saying that any that make mistakes go in the bin think is a bit of a silly statement as all my best birds went missing as y/bs but always came back i would never cull them example blk ck missing a week went on to win 5x 1st clubs 3x 1st fed blpd ck missing 5 dys 4x 1st fed and i had many more very good old birds that where lost as y/bs but always came back them selves but each to their own sean

Gaz b wrote:

I know where George is coming from, as these sort of statements at the mo, keep coming back to haunt us.

I'll second that Gary

i,ll have a few myself this season ,i have about 38ish over now,i ,ll end up with about 90 i think,but 20 of them are fut birds.if i have 50 at the end of the yb season that will do me.i know i get stick for having so many but its nice to have a good choice as well,i get race birds i want to not birds i have to

ye david ur spot on only the best can stay you carnt be to sentimental with them i fink thats alot ov fanciers problems they will keep them of watever in all the yrs ive had pigeons never had a gd 1 thats been ill plus ye ur rite some do not advance and come on so ye they have to go maybe this is why alot ov fanciers loose yb/s because they get to attached to them ? and to goerge i didnt say i wud end up killin upto 30 of them my point was i cudnt do this every yr havin 60 or 70 yb/s to much ov a headache if ide had a team ov 1 2 and 3 yr olds i wudnt have bred this lot and bought some into race its only cause first yr back but but ye im only lookin for 18 cocks and hens out ov them for next yr . but i wudnt be killin the remainder off if they were fit they wud be sold off as these are of very top pigeons . and ray dont know how you do it m8 hatsoff to you alot ov people like alot ov yb/s but for me best yrs about 30 yb/s lol was just rite to manage

I know what Steve is like, he is ruthless with selection of birds, but my experience with Steve, is that he always gets the desired results.
I think sometimes will can be misled by terms like bin, bin bagged etc, but the anti pigeon brigade at the mo seem to be using anything they can against us.
Personally I would like to get all surplus birds and attacked ones and stick em up their arse

apology steve not sure what i thought i was reading george

facts are facts i agree with steve the sick ones never win anything only breed there like numbers dont and never will out strip fitness and quality its down the rhe fanier to sort out the weaklings cus sure enough if he dont the basket will

I am trying to get back into racing after 35 years and I need YBs. Send em to me in the US . We will make you proud !!

no problem goerge poligy exepted . and gaz you know me to well were i stand with yb,s no room to get sentimental with them my theory is this ifall looked after same way fed watered treated for this and that then theres no room for pigeons that go wrong so out they gtta go . and to birdy atleast you can see were im comin from but i do fink also alot of fanciers breed indiscrimitly from anything regardless and ido wonder if this y alot of fanciers incur heavy losses maybe they need to look at wat goin on in there lofts first . yes i know we get smashes on race day but we dont get them every wk and then you gt the same old fancier sayin i only gt ex amount bk and gt this many missin and miles behind maybe they need to sit bk and take alook at wat there doin ? all i can say is in all the yrs i was racin even with smash races most i ever had missin was 4 maybe i was lucky or was i thats the ? and autoball2 if you were in the uk wud ov let you have some at bk end fella

hi steve, just a point you made about some fanciers breeding indescriminantly{?} from anything........personnally i dont see why if a pigeon isnt good enough to breed from, why keep it ? maybe its a racing bird, but if its good enough to race, then surely its good enough to try ybs from........

not getting at no-one just something which ive read before and steve just brought the topic up again.......any thoughts anyone ?

I think there are hundreds of theories out there on breeding, the biggest bugbear about indiscriminately breeding is that if you do breed a good bird, the chances are you don't know for sure who the parents are so this pairing cannot be repeated.
I know that many will disagree, but I personally believe that illness is the biggest factor where it comes to youngbird losses as well as incorrect feeding.
Respiratory is the biggest one, as this can be present without any outward signs. Over the years, I have heard fanciers talk about lazy pigeons, they come out of the loft and refuse to exercise. Many fanciers think to hell with this and chuck them in a basket. You try going for a run with a head cold and a chest infection. You wouldn't make it round the block.

ybs that are weak have to go for the sake of the team but ybs on the road should be given the chance to make a mistake as they are learning this is my point of view and david breeding from good racers what could be better as i think far to many breed ybs on pedigrees at least with a decent racer you know it has what it takes and hopefully pass it on to its youngsters jmo

lol david wat im sayin just cause they have 40 prs of pigeons in the loft do they need to breed from them all personally i wudnt only the best shud be bred from this is why we have stock birds im not sayin dont breed from racers but if goin to do only the best shud be bred from . otherwise wats the point in havin ur stock birds as gaz knows me i very rearly bred from any racers there time come wen i retired them butthen they had to be gd birds always worked for me just a theory and i know it goes on people breedin from anything i realy dont fink you can make progress breedin that way ?

thanks for the coments, a couple of conflicting ideas there.........in my opinion all stock should be bred from, if they are not good enough get rid........good racers should be bred from because if they are racing/well and winning, what better can you get to breed from.....? if the racers are not racing well, why keep them anyway get rid...........simple, JMO

David wrote:

thanks for the coments, a couple of conflicting ideas there.........in my opinion all stock should be bred from, if they are not good enough get rid........good racers should be bred from because if they are racing/well and winning, what better can you get to breed from.....? if the racers are not racing well, why keep them anyway get rid...........simple, JMO

Second that David

back in the 1950s as a young boy of 9 my father would take me to the pigeon sales on a saturday night as fanciers were walking round looking at the birds when they came across a bird which had not raced most would walk past it how things have change to-day with most fanciers buying untired stock birds one thing i will say on this when a good bird would come up the money men (as they were caalled) would buy them and without fail they turned out to be very sucessfull in NI george