Debate 2

What do you think is the cause of YB sickness ?

EssexSteve wrote:

What do you think is the cause of YB sickness ?

stress

hmmm this might not be a very long debate

EssexSteve wrote:

What do you think is the cause of YB sickness ?

I don't know really. I've never seen it had it or heard of anyone getting Yb sickness in my area. I have often wondered about it thou, & whether it's your weather, that plays a major part & our weather is the reason it is not an issue here.
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over feeding is what i think.you have to keep the corn off ybs .i should know had it twice last season..hopefully not this time as i have learnt an expensive lesson

EssexSteve wrote:

What do you think is the cause of YB sickness ?

stress brought on through overfeeding over crowding and the darkness system can bring stress on sean

I know a top flyer who gets it year in year out. last year he dident darken his birds and still got it. He only breeds a handfull of ybs so doesent overcrowd. He now thinks is bread into them. All i know is he wins around 80% of our club races and tops the fed regular so it cant do them that much harm.

I think it's something developed into a virus over many years, possibly started by some people using drugs/treatments at that time. I reckon early to mid 80's.
This is also the time when a lot of continental birds started finding there way into UK lofts and also UK studs.
Now it's same as our kids getting something like chickenpox or measles at school, most get it at some time, some get away with it.
If it's in them, passed down off parents or g parents then I found it used to break out about the time yb's started to show an interest in opposite sex, like their time of adolescence if you like. I can remember reading oil seed rape getting the blame because it was around this time that large areas were being farmed for the first time. I did notice once the fields were bright yellow then YBS was around, maybe co-incidence.
I had 6 later-breds in a brand new shed, no contact with other birds, not flying out and fed on the best and they got it so that convinced me it was passed down in breeding of at least one of them, that's all it takes, just one.

i agree with barnies view that its a virus and is airborne ...stress brings it out as to does low immunity also i think alot mistake ybs for other ailments and just put it down to ybs and this confuses matters lol i have had it every season but the birds get over it quickly enough and i cease racing for two weeks after and have won the comeback race everytime so rest is the answer not antibiotics ..i dont feed for 36 hours and give a charcoal tablet to each bird and acidify the water and build the birds back up with a lite feed such as depurative ,no protein or maize and gradualy add the normal yb mix to the depurative over a period of 1 week until they are back on full yb mix which my yb mix is relatively lite anyway once they come of the darkness ...alot of guys get ybs and say nowt and carry on racing at their peril and wonder why they have so many empty perches at the end of the season the pigeon vets call ybs adeno coli syndrome but tbh i dont think they realy know as none realy stick their neck out and come up with conclusive answers and with secondary illness coming in when ybs is contracted this confuses matters even more lol jmo lads

Now it's same as our kids getting something like chickenpox or measles at school, most get it at some time, some get away with

If we had measules, chicken pox etc in the old days when i was a kid all the neighbours brought their kids round hoping they would catch it and get it over with, do you think this is a option ??

i think a lot is down to pour ventilation and to heavey feeding

if your keeping birds in the dark you need proper ventilation and

a good feed but not to heavey also to much medication while birds are in the

heavey moult dose them no good toxins build up fast but are no se easy to

remove from the body meds cause toxins birds need time to recover and get

the liver and kidneys cleaned again you wont do this while on constant meds

EssexSteve wrote:

Now it's same as our kids getting something like chickenpox or measles at school, most get it at some time, some get away with

If we had measules, chicken pox etc in the old days when i was a kid all the neighbours brought their kids round hoping they would catch it and get it over with, do you think this is a option ??

Not sure, obviously can't be good for the birds at the time as it knocks hell out them, but maybe they get some immunities for later in life? However last season round here yearlings were getting it, although not as severe. These hadn't caught it as Youngbirds the year before but got milder symptoms year later, same time as YB's were going down with it. Had this myself but left alone they were ok in 3 or 4 days.

I thin its stress related, along with other factors? maybe a general hygene or managment problem?

hi guys. i mite be thick here in saying this .BUT, what does, or do you look for in yb sickness. i dont think ive ever had it. or even seen it. atb stan.

sjrw wrote:

hi guys. i mite be thick here in saying this .BUT, what does, or do you look for in yb sickness. i dont think ive ever had it. or even seen it. atb stan.

birds huched up and regurgitation also spongey crops holding water are sure signs even before this you can tell as the ybs act a bit dumb they dont listen and wont trap well

oldstrain wrote:

sjrw wrote:

hi guys. i mite be thick here in saying this .BUT, what does, or do you look for in yb sickness. i dont think ive ever had it. or even seen it. atb stan.

birds huched up and regurgitation also spongey crops holding water are sure signs even before this you can tell as the ybs act a bit dumb they dont listen and wont trap well

cheers daz. thank god ive never had that in my ybs, but i no couple off guys who had that last year. and i will take great plesure, in telling them this.

its a combination of things starting with , to many meds at a young age .
darkness why make them think its fecking winter when its sumer.
over crowding , over feeding , breeding off sh**e , and just training them to soon just let them mature a bit before racing there babies but are being treated as old birds .

kev d wrote:

its a combination of things starting with , to many meds at a young age .
darkness why make them think its fecking winter when its sumer.
over crowding , over feeding , breeding off sh**e , and just training them to soon just let them mature a bit before racing there babies but are being treated as old birds .

kev i have had 2 sections of pigeons side by side and one section were for stock never medicated whatsoever ,fed lite,and kept natural and never trained um and still got ybs and brothers and sisters won for me same season once they got over it got to be a virus surely