todays winning distance breeds

just starting back up with racing got some ybs this year so be few years before i can test them at the distance.
 
what are the upto date winning distance  familys these days  
thanks in advance lads
steve

no particular strain mate in my book, just the first home will do me. 

Have a word with Sean about his Theelans

Their aint many top line flyers keep your eyes on the BHW and look at the write ups, but its not easy flying distance now as you have to mature them and with the bop problems it would take a little time to builed up a team, I fly distance but its getting harder all the time I fly all sorts of distance birds mostly Aaden based and jos thon`e Poco lines they are still more or les holding their own but time is telling on them     

steve b wrote:

just starting back up with racing got some ybs this year so be few years before i can test them at the distance.
 
what are the upto date winning distance  familys these days  
thanks in advance lads
steve

I think most so called strains are Hybrids nowadays, rather than get hooked up on what strain are the best distance birds I would just look for a fancier who is winning at the distance you want to race at. 500 miles or 600 miles or further.
Joseph "Van" Dorning flies a Great distance bird and he has his own strain. If I were starting out and wanting to specialise at the distance I would certainly check him out.
http://www.josephvandorningpigeons.com/

edgie wrote:

no particular strain mate in my book, just the first home will do me. 

True Edgie !!!!!    paper champions arn't worth a cracker to me, hours on the wing is the true test, in my view. Especially into a head wind.
You will not find my family with paper pedigrees etc. Liquorice all sorts     is how I best  describe them.  
*****

Knackered wrote:

edgie wrote:

no particular strain mate in my book, just the first home will do me. 

True Edgie !!!!!    paper champions arn't worth a cracker to me, hours on the wing is the true test, in my view. Especially into a head wind.
You will not find my family with paper pedigrees etc. Liquorice all sorts     is how I best  describe them.  
*****

could i sugest that you obtain some young birds that are bred around this time of year, (could be cheeper) buy 3 to 4 pair bred for the distance, they dont have to be related or the same strain, as long as they are of similar type, cross them be patient, it is not somthing you can rush, it will pay dividens in the end.  

Knackered wrote:

edgie wrote:

no particular strain mate in my book, just the first home will do me. 

True Edgie !!!!!    paper champions arn't worth a cracker to me, hours on the wing is the true test, in my view. Especially into a head wind.
You will not find my family with paper pedigrees etc. Liquorice all sorts     is how I best  describe them.  
*****

is that joe the old peeler from preston lancs . Mainly busschaerts they were founded on .

KOTS wrote:

Knackered wrote:

edgie wrote:

no particular strain mate in my book, just the first home will do me. 

True Edgie !!!!!    paper champions arn't worth a cracker to me, hours on the wing is the true test, in my view. Especially into a head wind.
You will not find my family with paper pedigrees etc. Liquorice all sorts     is how I best  describe them.  
*****

is that joe the old peeler from preston  lancs . Mainly busschaerts they were founded on .

that's him rab lol sean

Joe has been consistant for a long time especially at niort etc .

good fancier with good birds  

for me one of the best is mark gilbert winning up to 707 mls

thanks for the reply's lads
i already have a few from diffrent fanciers that do the distance. which i will work with but always on the lookout for other good breeds flyers from distance to strenghten what i got because i know it wont happen over night.
these familys takes years of cultivation.
im not intrested in pedigrees the best pedigree is the basket i think
cheers steve

steve b wrote:

thanks for the reply's lads
i already have a few from diffrent fanciers that do the distance. which i will work with but always on the lookout for other good breeds flyers from distance to strenghten what i got because i know it wont happen over night.
these familys takes years of cultivation.
im not intrested in pedigrees the best pedigree is the basket i think
cheers steve

steve i am still running a bereavement sale and there are john duthy bushys he has just won the SNFC gold cup secound time in 3 year at over 560 mls also some very nice jan ardens   sean

seanl wrote:

steve b wrote:

thanks for the reply's lads
i already have a few from diffrent fanciers that do the distance. which i will work with but always on the lookout for other good breeds flyers from distance to strenghten what i got because i know it wont happen over night.
these familys takes years of cultivation.
im not intrested in pedigrees the best pedigree is the basket i think
cheers steve

steve i am still running a bereavement sale and there are john duthy bushys he has just won the SNFC gold cup secound time in 3 year at over 560 mls also some very nice jan ardens   sean

thanks for info on the sale sean
im not keen on the jan ardens
but i might take a look at the bushearts i know plenty who still do well with these at top level

steve b wrote:

seanl wrote:

steve b wrote:

thanks for the reply's lads
i already have a few from diffrent fanciers that do the distance. which i will work with but always on the lookout for other good breeds flyers from distance to strenghten what i got because i know it wont happen over night.
these familys takes years of cultivation.
im not intrested in pedigrees the best pedigree is the basket i think
cheers steve

steve i am still running a bereavement sale and there are john duthy bushys he has just won the SNFC gold cup secound time in 3 year at over 560 mls also some very nice jan ardens   sean

thanks for info on the sale sean
im not keen on the jan ardens
but i might take a look at the bushearts i know plenty who still do well with these at top level

Steve you won't go wrong with what Sean has mate if they were not the required quality he would not have them for sale

all of todays winning distance birds are bred down from birds of yesteryear ie stichlebauts ,bricoux,sion,commine,grooter....ardens ...brakhuis take yer pick lol the main thing is yer own dedication and patience their are plenty of tools out their to do the job atb

steve b wrote:

thanks for the reply's lads
i already have a few from diffrent fanciers that do the distance. which i will work with but always on the lookout for other good breeds flyers from distance to strenghten what i got because i know it wont happen over night.
these familys takes years of cultivation.
im not intrested in pedigrees the best pedigree is the basket i think
cheers steve

There is nothing wrong with a pedigree if it can be reliabaly traced back to the mother and father who won a National race. A pedigree can be an advantage in such circumstances.
What is no use is a pedigree of a bird thats anscesters have never won a National race or even its grand parents as once you get 3 or more generations away from the champions the pedigeree is bog roll. And if you are buying new long distance stock to be a serious flyer and to save time getting to the top then you should buy young from either National race champions or the parents of national race champions. Or the parents of the champions or the champions themselves but they will be expensive if for sale at all.

oldstrain wrote:

all of todays winning distance birds are bred down from birds of yesteryear ie stichlebauts ,bricoux,sion,commine,grooter....ardens ...brakhuis take yer pick lol the main thing is yer own dedication and patience their are plenty of tools out their to do the job atb

some breeds of yesteryear there
stichlebauts were good honest pigeons when i raced them in the 80's
carnt say i have raced any of the others.
have heard of them. just wondered what were the newer breeds these days doing the distance at top level.

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And if you are buying new long distance stock to be a serious flyer and to save time getting to the top then you should buy young from either National race champions or the parents of national race champions. Or the parents of the champions or the champions themselves but they will be expensive if for sale at all. [/quote]


birds this close will be way out of my price range.   

And if you are buying new long distance stock to be a serious flyer and to save time getting to the top then you should buy young from either National race champions or the parents of national race champions. Or the parents of the champions or the champions themselves but they will be expensive if for sale at all. [/quote]
 
 
birds this close will be way out of my price range.   [/quote]

 steve i sold a round of young ins  some where off dgchildren off invincible spirit   and invincible dettori  i dont think they where out of any ones price range at £20 each with out peds  sean

And if you are buying new long distance stock to be a serious flyer and to save time getting to the top then you should buy young from either National race champions or the parents of national race champions. Or the parents of the champions or the champions themselves but they will be expensive if for sale at all. [/quote]


birds this close will be way out of my price range.   [/quote]

Hi Steve, You could also Check out the auction ongoing at Somerset OLR as all these birds are proven racers and many have pedigrees they will be sold far cheaper than their actual value, maybe what you are looking for is there.

oldstrain wrote:

all of todays winning distance birds are bred down from birds of yesteryear ie stichlebauts ,bricoux,sion,commine,grooter....ardens ...brakhuis take yer pick lol the main thing is yer own dedication and patience their are plenty of tools out their to do the job atb

Spot on there mate the best pigeon i ever owned was Stichlebaut Hen
she was a Dark was bronze ended flites 95% of here youngsters won and breed winners mate