hi lads and lasses. bought some of them new young bird perches the type that has the draws you pull out with the droppings inside a pap came over said that the young birds wont be able to turn round to face forward. what width do you need for them to turn. these perches come in a set of six holes cost 35 quid a set have8 sets if any body looks at the red star lofts advert in the homing world they have the same type in there but i bought from local corn shop cheers for now terryp....