Loft Progress so Far ...

just checked out of interest, and the nearest point of the loft is 10ft away from the house ............

not sure what that is in metres, i still work in feet and inches

10feet is 3 metres. However unless the council is informed it doesn't matter a jot.

Had a fancier in Leicester a little while back where he took on the council. The B.H.W. did the story, the rights and wrong myths. Was in a area where pigeons lofts were banned as such. He carried on and built one.
Council whinged and took him court. Court up held the Council as presa. How even he appealed. It went further and threaten to get an Euro law etc.
Long story short, the council was bang out of order. Can't be any such law, and certainly not one that contravenes the Government or European (Then, Government still).
Council fined £15.000 and ordered to pay all expenses and court costs.
Have had a few run in regards arrogant council rules, believed, but are just myths!

Regulations regarding pigeon lofts are part of a Councils Planning permissions and have to , IN LAW, comply with as with all other planning permissions.

There is of course a means of appeal.

The general rules are.
They should not cover more than 30% of the area involved.

Height for a pitched roof 4 meters
For a flat roof 3 meters.
Painted the colour the Council decides.
Kept clean and tidy.
Does not interfere with neighbours nor any other interested party.

In or area I think the vast majority of lofts in back gardens do not meet the requirements but the Council turns a blind eye, as it would be impossible in many instances to meet them.

Another problem being that most new housing have open plan gardens where it would be impossible to have a loft. or no garden at all.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Regulations regarding pigeon lofts are part of a Councils Planning permissions and have to , IN LAW, comply  with as with all other planning permissions.

There is of course a means of appeal.

The general rules are.
                              They should not cover more than 30% of the area involved.
                             
Height for a pitched roof 4 meters
For a flat roof 3 meters.
Painted the colour the Council decides.
Kept clean and tidy.
Does not interfere with neighbours nor any other interested party.

In or area I think the vast majority of lofts in back gardens do not meet the requirements but the Council turns a blind eye, as it would be impossible in many instances to meet them.

Another problem being that most new housing have open plan gardens where it would be impossible to have a loft. or no garden at all.

Regards.





 

Regulations Have a pissy little country/island here 25 million people etc that many different type layers of government doing the same basic thing they have 25 million odd regulations to cover the same, same scenario sadly.

Knackered wrote:

MISTY wrote:

Regulations regarding pigeon lofts are part of a Councils Planning permissions and have to , IN LAW, comply  with as with all other planning permissions.

There is of course a means of appeal.

The general rules are.
                              They should not cover more than 30% of the area involved.
                             
Height for a pitched roof 4 meters
For a flat roof 3 meters.
Painted the colour the Council decides.
Kept clean and tidy.
Does not interfere with neighbours nor any other interested party.

In or area I think the vast majority of lofts in back gardens do not meet the requirements but the Council turns a blind eye, as it would be impossible in many instances to meet them.

Another problem being that most new housing have open plan gardens where it would be impossible to have a loft. or no garden at all.

Regards.

 

Regulations Have a pissy little country/island here 25 million people etc that many different type layers of government doing the same basic thing they have 25 million odd regulations to cover the same, same scenario sadly.

Different rules can apply, it depends if you own the house or rent it. I've recently been through the whole process.
Home owners generally have more rights when it comes to what and where they can erect a "temporary structure for their betterment and enjoyment".

Town and country planning act states you can use up to 50% of the available space (garden or yard etc) to build a temporary structure as long it doesn't sit higher than an allowed measurement and is 2m from any boundary.
A shed or loft is considered temporary, it's only when you use bricks or blocks then it's permanent, so not allowed.

Any such structure must also sit to the rear of the property and can't encroach on the front elevation of the dwelling.

Few more rules and regs but these are the main points. So it appears David is well within the legislation, not that anyone will check but you never know.

True Barnie. Mind a renter actually owns the house the weeks he rents. Still never mind that.
I moved to a nice area in the country, renting when splitting from the wife. Out back was a decent size garden and lawn. Next was the allotments, then a football field. All land owned by the estate. So though buying the house all were paying ground rent. Mentioned to a few that I was thinking of starting racing pigeons. The idiots said that they would eat all their crops etc.
In no time I had the estate manager speaking and saying it was a No No!
I stated legally I could and we went down that alleyway discussing the law of the land. I said I was going to, but if I wanted to I could. All I had to do was build it on wheels and move it 2 inches every two years. He agreed. But said he could make it awkward with the hoeuse owner... Raise the land prices (Maybe. but that would be subject to the agreement when the homes were built etc. No, as I said, it wasn't worth upsetting the locals - Mind I knew them all as I grew up there and went school etc with them
So to cut a long story short I didn't and moved. May have, in todays so called society, idiots attacking the loft and birds. Was a very friendly jackdaw there. It would settle and come to you. Across the fields even it would land near you expect ting a titbit or such. Idiots shot it!

Daz wrote:

True Barnie. Mind a renter actually owns the house the weeks he rents. Still never mind that.
I moved to a nice area in the country, renting when splitting from the wife. Out back was a decent size garden and lawn. Next was the allotments, then a football field. All land owned by the estate. So though buying the house all were paying ground rent. Mentioned to a few that I was thinking of starting racing pigeons. The idiots said that they would eat all their crops etc.
In no time I had the estate manager speaking and saying it was a No No!
I stated legally I could and we went down that alleyway discussing the law of the land. I said I was going to, but if I wanted to I could. All I had to do was build it on wheels and move it 2 inches every two years. He agreed. But said he could make it awkward with the hoeuse owner... Raise the land prices (Maybe. but that would be subject to the agreement when the homes were built etc. No, as I said, it wasn't worth upsetting the locals - Mind I knew them all as I grew up there and went school etc with them
So to cut a long story short I didn't and moved. May have, in todays so called society, idiots attacking the loft and birds. Was a very friendly jackdaw there. It would settle and come to you. Across the fields even it would land near you expect ting a titbit or such. Idiots shot it!

Different strokes for different type folks I suspect Daz maybe. Remember when looking up the poverty type people living in America etc. Miss a week of rent & the landlord can throw you out on the street by law with all possessions as such & if you had a parking fine 10 years before hand type of thing they can use that as an excuse not to let too you if they so like.

We have a problem here Knackered with several new housing estates regarding freehold.

Many young couples having saved and gone short to afford a deposit to buy their own home were not told they were lease hold and they would never own the ground the houses were on unless buying the lease hold, they had to pay annual ground rent.

How these builders can get away with it I know not.

They have sold the lease hold to the homes to a company who have a nice little earner for doing absolutely nothing.

Some want to sell the houses but no one is interested in buying.


Not only that many have not got what you could call a garden.

Thieves and despicable robbers comes to mind.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

We have a problem here Knackered with several new housing estates regarding freehold.

Many young couples having saved and gone short to afford a deposit to buy their own home were not told they were lease hold and they would never own the ground  the houses were on unless buying the lease hold, they had to pay annual ground rent.

How these builders can get away with it I know not.

They have sold the lease hold to the homes to a company who have a nice little earner for  doing absolutely nothing.

Some want to sell the houses but no one is interested in buying.


Not  only that many have not got what you could call a garden.

Thieves and  despicable robbers comes to mind.

Regards.  

I was unfortunate to be in this situation when buying our very first house Misty, back then we had to pay the original builder £30 pa which was affordable but we could have still been better off not having to do this.
There were over 600 properties on the estate, 99 year lease. Luckily we sold up without any problems 10 years later but I've been cautious of being in same position again.

barnie wrote:

MISTY wrote:

We have a problem here Knackered with several new housing estates regarding freehold.

Many young couples having saved and gone short to afford a deposit to buy their own home were not told they were lease hold and they would never own the ground  the houses were on unless buying the lease hold, they had to pay annual ground rent.

How these builders can get away with it I know not.

They have sold the lease hold to the homes to a company who have a nice little earner for  doing absolutely nothing.

Some want to sell the houses but no one is interested in buying.


Not  only that many have not got what you could call a garden.

Thieves and  despicable robbers comes to mind.

Regards.  

I was unfortunate to be in this situation when buying our very first house Misty, back then we had to pay the original builder £30 pa which was affordable but we could have still been better off not having to do this.
There were over 600 properties on the estate, 99 year lease. Luckily we sold up without any problems 10 years later but I've been cautious of being in same position again.

Appears just a rort to me etc Different here, buy a block of land & its yours type of the thing for life if you so choose with no strings attached as such. Laugh when people here say my house is worth a million odd dollars, as it actually isn't, as it's the land that it stands on that is actually worth the million dollars. Now, that being said thou     I will go without a coffee & cake treat to always make sure I always have my house insurance up to date & payed on time. 1/4 thou           of those recently here burnt out with the bush fires will have no insurance at all, because they would much prefer having a coffee & cake treat on a regular type basis for the enjoyment factor    .    

not much left to do now, little things seem to take more time than big things..........cant seem to just get it finished

David wrote:

not much left to do now, little things seem to take more time than big things..........cant seem to just get it finished

....... tell me about it ! Fitting out takes 10x longer

barnie wrote:

David wrote:

not much left to do now, little things seem to take more time than big things..........cant seem to just get it finished

....... tell me about it !  Fitting out takes 10x longer

Reminds me of the bloke next door here had a thought bubble moment etc worked out here could pull his carport down & have the new one up in 3/4 weekends of hard labour as such, 3/4 months later & he is still plugging away sadly I'm  .

got the last of my wood today, hopefully be able to finish off over the next few days ...

got a little bit further, wont be long now ..........

need to finish the surround around the door, up the side and across the top......then sort the front windows out and im just about ready to put birds in..........will still be small jobs to do but can do that when i get spare time, nothing much really .

You're getting there now David, looking tidy.

will paint it all once the better weather comes, a few more hours this week should have it ready for birds to go in .......

Looking good David. Will give you more zest this season. This season the old birds will lose a little time trapping I fear... Hopefully not.

Daren't think regards the cost … not counting the 'Man Hours' that could be added.

David wrote:

will paint it all once the better weather comes, a few more hours this week should have it ready for birds to go in .......

Green or brown Best I suggest thou maybe a step at the front door type of thing there David, first as I can see some hairy type moments if you don't maybe .

might re do it in the brown i started doing it 18 months ago, ive plenty left .........or i may do it the light green i did my other loft in, i quite like that.

yes knackered, i need to make a more permanent step, at the moment im using an old caravan step i found ........

Personally, I think a wire mesh around the bottom may/could/might save a few problems later David.

Daz wrote:

Personally, I think a wire mesh around the bottom may/could/might save a few problems later David.

height was something i thought about daz, i reckoned that 12 inch of blocks, then a further 8 inch or so joists would deter any un welcome rodents , plus the fact it is stood on flags which they cannot burrow under made me happy enough i wouldnt have any problems ..........but having said that, rats / mice are always around, or passing through, and anywhere, however small could be a haven for them.

my dog would also be after them, but to be honest i wouldnt want her anywhere near a rat, never mind have one in her mouth ........

David wrote:

might re do it in the brown i started doing it 18 months ago, ive plenty left .........or i may do it the light green i did my other loft in, i quite like that.

yes knackered, i need to make a more permanent step, at the moment im using an old caravan step i found ........

Must admit I'm a green type man here David flirted with pink at one stage thou but my neighbours had some concerns etc. Some thing about letting their kids run rampant in my back yard as such    .

Once had just rails for the loft floor. Build on such as you David. Cats got under and viewed them … Made them a mite nervous. Then I covered the pillars with Glass. Had once a couple of hens determine to nest under the loft... Couldn't stop them... a darn hard time trying to time them in lol. So glass as they can't gnaw or bite through. Once under a darn hard job to shift. Ok poison or porridge covered with cement … but a right stench when dead.
My loft here has just two air bricks into each apartment... Some say a mouse will even get through that!