Big Team Flyers .

anyone got any thoughts on why fanciers send large numbers, is it to put the odds in their favour , because they are desperate to win at all costs ...?

yes we know it supports the club, but are their intentions really to support the club, or to give them selves the bigger chance of winning...?

i know some flyers like ray peel sends a lot of birds, but so does his clubmates, by what i know of flyers in rays area its the done thing to send loads and clear the loft out every week.....this is understandable if everyone flies this way, its the clubs where 2 or 3 members send big teams of birds, when the other members only send a few that im talking about ......

thoughts please ...?

With young birds here limit in the Fed is 60. Many send that number. Lots of different winners though. Old and young. Some of the folks start with a pile then over the years cut down drastically once the performers breed performers. Numbers only matter when many young are not trained any distance and the fancier is hoping for "Follow the flock" for his birds.

The only advantage a mob flyer has is if one amongst them has a good day and has got itself in the first batch, no one can keep a large number of pigeons naturally healthy other than by treatments and that is not realy natural.

If a fanciers sends 50 pigeons at least 85% will be no hopers, no fancier choose who they are has a loft full of winners, lucky to have half a dozen real performers and others that have had a lucky day.

The percentage of good pigeons will rise the fewer kept if the fancier knows what he/she is doing and depends more on good managrment and selection rather than numbers and hope rather than expectation.

Training as I and many others have proven is not necessary if the pigeons are healthy and fit and this can only be obtained by open loft, pigeons fatened up for 80% of their life need more than training to keep them healthy and would be very doubtful of anyone who says they do not use preventative medication and fly widowhood and darkness systems.

If you have an open car race, all things being open the one with the biggest engine and driven by the best driver will always win.

The same with pigeons irrespective of any other consideration other than luck

Regards.

Did not read your question properly David.

I think different fanciers like to keep different numbers like any other sport, you can indulge in a small way or go all the way, spend less than most or go mad.

Never came across real mob flyers most of the best times there was a limit due to transporter capacity.

It is only as the number of fanciers have gone down and a different type of fancier joining the ranks that many started mob flying and in doing so saved many clubs from going under.

The real answer to your question, all fanciers want to win, why would one keep a loft full of pigeons and not go all out to win every race ?.

There is both advantages and disadvantages in mob flying, hard work in my opinion.

Regards.

I am a mo flyer yes for a number of reasons, one I love to try other people's birds , 2 we buy a lot of stock birds , 3 because I love it , 4 because a few years back I said if I can't beat them join them . 5 its paid off . At the end of the day one bird wins only one and if you haven't a clue no matter how many you fly the top men will still beat you. As regards limits , no chance , race as many as you want in my opinion the more the better. We had a mob flyer in our club just like me and I worried about the quality he had not the amount but he still didn't win as he hadn't a clue

Good for you peel bros, if you enjoy it do it.

I know I would never have kept a lot of pigeons because I would not have any idea how to deal with them.

Had to know each pigeons peculiarities to get the best out of them.

If there were not those prepared to send lots many clubs could not survive.

It is the fanciers who have the support of studs, free from their best so the can advertise them, usualy with big lofts and all the freebies from the commercial boys, the studs advertise the wins by those in the gift senario and sell from every pigeon in the loft.

Same with the freebies, they say they use, most end up in the bin.

These are the ones who have ruined the sport not the ordinary fancier be he/she a mob flyer or not.

Went through all this years ago and was cried down by the very individuals involved, some of whom are still around today.

The allotment and back garden fanciers have always been the backbone of the sport, the commercial boys the ruination.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Did not read your question properly David.

I think different fanciers like to keep different numbers like any other sport, you can indulge in a small way or go all the way, spend less than most or go mad.

Never came across real mob flyers most of the best times there was a limit due to transporter capacity.

It is only as the number of fanciers have gone down and a different type of fancier joining the ranks that many started mob flying and in doing so saved many clubs from going under.

The real answer to your question, all fanciers want to win, why would one keep a loft full of pigeons and not go all out to win every race ?.

There is both advantages and disadvantages in mob flying, hard work in my opinion.

Regards.

 

Bloody hard work I would say for those that choose to be a chook farmer type come race day etc Put far more into the system on average I've found than they ever take out in the end. Easy to go mental in worrying about what & how they do things, but it's all rather pointless I would suggest to a degree, as their input helps pay the bills in the end & every extra bird come race day has a certain value in that regard.
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anything over 20 / 25 young birds i find hard to manage,

there is advantage in numbers theres no doubt about that especially in the shorter races but also extra work ,so its not a advantage you get for nothing ...send as many as you like is my motto but its never been for me ...even mob flyers rely on very few birds to hit the landing board first at the end of the day

Think the main criteria regarding any activity is if you get less enjoyment than the effort put in you are in the wrong activity.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Think the main criteria regarding any activity is if you get less enjoyment than the effort put in you are in the wrong activity.

Regards.

Simple words etc Misty but true I would say.
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67 ybs sent for today's race from us . Lost one on Thursday

Good luck peel bros.

To have so many ready for the fray is a success on it's own.

Can see the enjoyment in seeing so many come diving in at intervals, a fancier sending one or two has only two chances and all is over.

Never sent a lot myself but enjoyed the last returneees as the first.


Regards.

More the merrier in my opinion, big team fancier keep clubs and feds going and I enjoy racing against more birds, it’s more of a buzz winning against 200 than it is winning against 30.

Nothing wrong with big team flying they have to pay for them as Steve said the more the merrier but it does get looked down at club level don't no why and even more at national racing when you are going for the biggest prize their is if it was foot ball and paid hundred million for a player that would be ok

well it paid off ..1st , 2nd and 4th club

Well done, a heart lifter.

Regards.

Ha ha, nice one Ray.
I’ve also found that most big team flyers can still pick the right pool bird

Nice one ray

peel bros wrote:

well it paid off ..1st , 2nd and 4th club

Well done Mr Peel couldn't be more pleased etc. Just hope thou you have enough in your B team there to give them a rest after reading what happened to many over the weekend    .   & take care, & I really mean that as those down here looking after the old folk, are really taking a real belting in the care department like you unfortunately with the virus issue.

London Club. 300 birds. 1 flier sent 36. Got first 14 positions. 1300 mpm.
Have a stray here from him. No 44. Let it out this morning. Should go home. Number 45 was his first bird last week. Stray here is 50 miles south of his loft.

Big team flyers! You mean Big team losses surely. Bred to lose I fear.

Daz wrote:

Big team flyers! You mean Big team losses surely. Bred to lose I fear.

Well, yes Daz to a degree, but we do live in a throw away type society these days I suggest   & big is better, maybe for some, even if most don't come up to scratch in a pigeon sense. 60/70,000 odd pigeons are in lock down mode here in a local sense because of the virus scenario & most flyers would normally be mating up over the next month or so on average & the last thing most don't want here for next year is a loft fool of old age pigeons to race. So as sad as it will be I suspect for most it will be, out with the old somehow & in with the new I'm in most lofts on average. & take care.

Well if not up to scrath, lost or gone.

The very first yard stick, I believe, is your 'Own loft'.
far too many are kept, even forever given another chance! often revolving around cost to buy, or a pedigree.

Always told. 'Pedigrees paper doesn't fly'
For instance, so-called often bred in the pink are often beaten by 'Churchers/ townies and transferred strays.

Same with all living creatures.

All have varying capabilities which they cannot go beyond.
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These can be either used to the full potential or ruined, depending on the manner they are used.

They come from many different sources, some with the best potential whilst others from those with none.

Humans being the best exsmple.

Regards.




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