Canker, Cocci, Worms

ordered my canker, cocci and worm prevention yesterday, hope it comes before christmas ..............

should have ordered weeks ago really

Why?

A little canker is very good for the birds. Using the same treatment over two or three times, is very bad for the birds. 32/33 different strains that quickly get immune to canker treatments. Causing a deep rooted canker. Which is very often causing so many various treatments for other things ... which the birds don't have. YB sickness included.

Now a little canker / strain will fight of other strains etc. and do the bird good. But many feed the same treatment willy - nilly every year stating 'All ways have can't fault it etc. that which it becomes immune to.

Have world renown vets stating so. 3 at a moot saying as such too!
I can't say as I every bothered to. Likewise worms. and lice, do the birds good in appropriate quantities.

Only when a full strength mixed with a full strength Baytril once in a while... incase they had contacted it racing. But then again, condition and health, alertness bade them well and not needed mostly.

Had a fellow contact me three weeks ago. had big problems with birds. Went to mates, took advice. Went to a Vet, no good. Birds listless and wet dropping etc. I asked him what he treated etc. Same story. Same canker and worm treatments etc. Especially when pairing up!

I said that the birds were passing on an improved and stronger canker1
Said to give them the Baytril and Another full strength canker cure!

He is over the moon with them now!

i always worm before pairing ,our country is to damp not to,mind you a sprinkle of diatamaceous earth about the loft should take care of any eggs ...and any creepy crawlies ...but i do worm once a year with moxidectin as for canker only when racing but do use a few natural herbs to keep on top of sour crop when breeding (oregano,fennel tea) as for cocci hardly ever treated for that either but have the odd young bird,a damp loft is not a good one for cocci or anything else come to think of it

thats why i do it darren, as a preventative ......my old lofts got sun all day, but my new lofts face the oposite way and rarely get direct sunlight, only early morning .

I took 2 tests when racing when my birds went off the boil . I will not mention where I got the tests done but I wanted to test the person doing them as well as finding the answer,  anyway one came back via a telephone call all clear , nothing to worry about birds are spot on. The other one , birds ate riddled with cocci...mummy very interesting.

David wrote:

ordered my canker, cocci and worm prevention yesterday, hope it comes before christmas ..............

should have ordered weeks ago really

having a bit of a clean out are we David it appears, before Xmas etc so your ready to go & enjoy  the good life afterwards .
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peel bros wrote:

I took 2 tests when racing when my birds went off the boil . I will not mention where I got the tests done but I wanted to test the person doing them as well as finding the answer,  anyway one came back via a telephone call all clear , nothing to worry about birds are spot on. The other one , birds ate riddled with cocci...mummy very interesting.

Vets of the bird kind etc have one down here Ray he started racing the local season here recently put on because of the virus issue. 2 races & the pain just got to him I heard & he finished up jumping off a cliff like a lemmon type .

treatments arrived this morning, will start sunday or monday .......

Its costs a canny big fof us to treat every year but it has to be done

peel bros wrote:

Its costs a canny big fof us to treat every year but it has to be done

At least you can split it 3 ways etc Ray I suggest More money wasted on medication scenarios by Mr average thou I suspect than what they could/may win in the end on average. Could even tell a tale about a world renowned expert type ???? who jumped off a cliff here recently & survived & then yesterday actually come back for more punishment I'm & I somehow suspect now he may just be jumping out of a plane now without a parachute to take the pain away again, because all his magic type potions weren't worth a crumpet again sadly here come the end of the day for him with his race .

Not split 3 ways , our loft boy pays nothing

peel bros wrote:

Not split 3 ways , our loft boy pays nothing

yeah compo needs his dosh for the summer wine eh

I think mob treating can help some and be detrimental to most.

If there is a decernable problem I would have isolated those concerned.

Thankfully after a while I had no problems.

When you first start up or introduce you will always have problems.

Regards.

Best to do the lot in our case as got to treat as a team not individually.  Much easier for us

Yes Darren   little edd won't pay a penny not one ... he never will

I havnt treated for cocci worms or canker for a year now, saying that I put one spot on the back of the neck for lice so that’s supposed to kill internal worms, and I use RopaB, Saturday, Sunday and Wednesday which is supposed to suppress all 3.
I’ve used it for years and the only trouble I ever seem to have is YBS, I cant remember off hand ever having a problem with an old bird for anything.
I really rate Ropa, I think it is dear but it lasts a long time.

i used ropa b all the time for quite a few years boosey, but stopped around a year ago ........found it too expensive if im honest, as i had quite a lot of pigeons, and at £50 a bottle it didnt last too long.

now i use the ronfields avidress most days, and vits in the water once or twice a week......avidress £11 and lasts ages .

David wrote:

i used ropa b all the time for quite a few years boosey, but stopped around a year ago ........found it too expensive if im honest, as i had quite a lot of pigeons, and at £50 a bottle it didnt last too long.

now i use the ronfields avidress most days, and vits in the water once or twice a week......avidress £11 and lasts ages .

50 pound a bottle I know whose laughing all the way to the bank etc there .

yes thats what i thought too knackered ..........fella who distributes it in uk is a slink anyway in my opinion .

David wrote:

yes thats what i thought too knackered ..........fella who distributes it in uk is a slink anyway in my opinion .

Colliodal Silver etc David taught me many years ago here what a total rort these type of things are on average for Mr Average. Make them for pennies & then sell them for pounds type of thing      .

avidress/ropa both very very good products both oregano based although avidress contains cinnammon and organic acids along with oregano and i prefer the avidress myself but when breeding ropa is used i just think avidress may be too acidic for feeders jmo though and doubt it matters any atb

Hardly ever treated. Only when told by some, I needed too! Though I never had a need also!

John Tranter gave us a talk regards a solution and made into a cake-like treatment to feed the birds! Which is wife gave him. Said it was very effective and cost next to nothing. She was a nurse. John said he went chemist and bought some.
Gosh! The first day he treated. Next morning said he'd saw nothing like it! The worms were everywhere. Crawling on the floor and hanging from the perches etc.
Some fed members tried it and said it there was unbelievable results. - Worms taking the goodness from the feed? -

I tried it, was disappointed - don't know why!

Told members had nothing! No result at all!
Two members, who had had great results, came to my house and made me some. Fed it to the pigeons. Next morning 'Nothing'1
So the other fancier made it up for me! Why? Same result 'Nothing'!

My worry was, was I destroying worthwhile worms. Never have wormed since.

worms can be a real barsteward to the fancier as they dont really harm short term but can show awful droppings and send a fancier into a frenzy of treatments thinking he has a bacterial problem and i just wonder how many birds been blind treated i dont think a annual treatment does much harm...most lofts with a wood based deep litter would have some form of worm issue i would think ,i like to worm annually to stop any worm build up in the birds but also for air sac mite and other bloodsuckers with the use of moxidectin which is not so harsh as some other treatments like fenbenzadole ,hal uses diatamaceous earth which is good stuff and a natural product but very dusty as its fine like talc so no good for my lungs but i do put some under the nest felt its great stuff and food grade and have heard of fanciers using it on the corn to eliminate worms great for mites etc...to

oldstrain wrote:

worms can be a real barsteward to the fancier as they dont really harm short term but can show awful droppings and send a fancier into a frenzy of treatments thinking he has a bacterial problem and i just wonder how many birds been blind treated i dont think a annual treatment does much harm...most lofts with a wood based deep litter would have some form of worm issue i would think ,i like to worm annually to stop any worm build up in the birds but also for air sac mite and other bloodsuckers with the use of moxidectin which is not so harsh as some other treatments like fenbenzadole ,hal uses diatamaceous earth which is good stuff and a natural product but very dusty as its fine like talc so no good for my lungs but i do put some under the nest felt its great stuff and food grade and have heard of fanciers using it on the corn to eliminate worms great for mites etc...to

I had never heard of diatamaceous earth until Hal mentioned it, it appears it may be used by a number of fanciers, and if it works why not.

I never realy needed anything other than lime and sharpn sand deep litter to keep the outside right and garlic the inside, thought all the commercials rubbish and still do.

Nature, Nature.

Regards.

started cocci treatment today .............feel safer giving as a preventative, as ive rarely had much success with treating ill birds in the past, rarely been able to make then right again .