Worming, Canker & Cocci

noticed on a bottle of wormer today it says before worming, you should first treat for canker and cocci, then treat for worms........anyone know why this is, and what difference it would make ?

well it makes a mockery of the 3 in 1 tablets eh david which I don't like and never use maybe ok mid season when racing but that's about it,i know some wormers are very strong and contradict other medications ...always worm and then again 3 weeks later else you could be on the worm merry go round

ive heard quite a few fanciers say their pigeons don't have worms, but I think sometimes they say this because either they have treated with crap stuff, or they have never seen pigeons worms.......first time I wormed mine it was like an explosion in a spaghetti factory....

I dont know unless its treat the most important ailments first
whats the brand name of the wormer
Im using Schroeder TOLLISAN which clearly states
Alleen gebruiken bij duiven die zijn voor huane consumptie.
Buiten het bereik van kinderen houden.
Uitsluitend voor diergeneeskundig gebruik.

and the bit i understand 5ml per ltr for 2 days.
[ i dont eat pigeons]

easifen liquid wormer walker, used the easifen capsules before but too time consuming when you have quite a few to do.

I will use easifen capsules this year birds are not drinking much at present else I would use moxidectin

I found the easifen capsules to be spot on Darren, 2 days after giving them, worms clearly seen on the perches etc.

yes I find they work well to david they also kill off the eggs to ...a lot of problems caused by worms I just cant understand guys who don't worm but their call

for some reason they don't think they have worms.........

I use Ivermec also but its the picking up of all the birds up kills worms but you dont see them the disolve in the bird and keeps them lop free .
I spray with total mite kill but still like to give them a drop at pairing or when getting there yearly paramyxo jab...they seem fine

that one spot stuff is supposed to kill worms isn't it, any thoughts on that...?

David wrote:

that one spot stuff is supposed to kill worms isn't it, any thoughts on that...?

Yes it does the best stuff is the 1% stronger than the pigeon 0.1%
I have a friend with Dexters ( little cattle)

Moxidectin used here can't be done with all the handling of birds my preferred method is in the water for everything and never worm in the moulting season as a old experienced fancier told me or they will fret

Diatamaceous earth. Sprinkle in boxes or on floor or feed. Sprinkle on dogs (or on feed) kills worms, fleas, ticks.

Keep on saying I will try this out but never get round to it think I will have a look on the internet where I can get some

The one I find best nowadays is Moxidectin, its a liquid wormer. Spartakon was the best.

Yeah me to...il test it on my dog Ra first tho.....oh!!! hes watching...maybe the droppers then

David wrote:

for some reason they don't think they have worms.........

A champion type flyer said to me etc if your breeding a first class type youngster that continious to race well year on year as such why do it. A well known scribe "British" once said if your birds are out picking in the garden you will have worms. His are, every day . David, can I please have that brick back I need it here for my computor, it's giving me a real pain in the **** here at the moment .

chuda wrote:

The one I find best nowadays is Moxidectin, its a liquid wormer. Spartakon was the best.

Will agree Chuda but if your a regular user of garlic that's a natural dewormer anyway

DE for humans.
https://diatomaceous.org/

""People also ask
What kind of bugs does diatomaceous earth kill?
Diatomaceous earth kills all bugs. It has been reported to be the most effective solution when fighting pests like fleas, ants and bed bugs. Farmers dump food grade diatomaceous earth by big scoops in with grains when the grains are stored. It kills the insects that want to feast on the grain.""
For animals.
https://diatomaceous.org/diatomaceous-earth-for-pets-and-animals/
Cheap at a feed store or garden center.

I use harkers 3 in 1 soluble coccidiosis canker wormer very good stuff If you've never tried it try it

halcanada wrote:

DE for humans.
https://diatomaceous.org/

""People also ask
What kind of bugs does diatomaceous earth kill?
Diatomaceous earth kills all bugs. It has been reported to be the most effective solution when fighting pests like fleas, ants and bed bugs. Farmers dump food grade diatomaceous earth by big scoops in with grains when the grains are stored. It kills the insects that want to feast on the grain.""
For animals.
https://diatomaceous.org/diatomaceous-earth-for-pets-and-animals/
Cheap at a feed store or garden center.

How often do you have to feed it ? How easy is it to stick to grains ?
cheers
kevin.

I just sprinkle very light touch of DE in the grain when I mix it. It sticks, or enough of it. Maybe every two or 3 weeks. Not often in the winter though. Cold kills a lot of bugs. Sprinkle a little in the nest bowls and boxes when putting them together. Also a sprinkle on the floor. Straw of shaving covered floor. Or bare.
I have no problems with it.

halcanada wrote:

I just sprinkle very light touch of DE in the grain when I mix it. It sticks, or enough of it. Maybe every two or 3 weeks. Not often in the winter though. Cold kills a lot of bugs. Sprinkle a little in the nest bowls and boxes when putting them together. Also a sprinkle on the floor. Straw of shaving covered floor. Or bare.
I have no problems with it.

okay cheers Hal