pedigrees

How important are pedigrees?
I ask because I raced my first season 2021 YB against guys with 30 - 50 years in the game & top pedigrees and did just fine!

[quote="Mike"]How important are pedigrees?
I ask because I raced my first season 2021 YB against guys with 30 - 50 years in the game & top pedigrees and did just fine! [/qu

Never seen a pedigree fly yet, every pigeon has one, congatulations on a good season.

Of course you are more likely to have a better percentage of reliable pigeons from those of a family that have performed well over a number of years.

You also get sports that crop up from nowhere and out perform everything.

NO fancier has all good pigeons and none sell what they believe will beat those they keep.

Until DNA became the norm for expensive pigeons I would not bet on the majority being genuine where the commercial clowns are involved.

Just enjoy it Mike would not get bogged down in pedigrees or anything else.

Regards.

Mike just use the pedigree as a guide line on what line your pigeon is bred down if the pigeon handles well and you like it then let the baskets be your pedigree

they mean absolutely nothing mike ,just pair yer best performers and you wont go far wrong ,in the main they were the best breeders .dont get me wrong the odd pedigree bird did well but with paper pigeons you get generations of un-raced birds so therefore yer taking more of a chance ,thats my slant on it anyway ,yeah dont get bogged down with paper pigeons bud

Thanks for your opinions. I kind of felt that way myself since these top racers were interested in what I was flying and I don’t have pedigrees. Actually that’s not true I have 2 with papers that have all kinds of champions in their background and I don’t like the way they look or feel. I’m definitely not going to go after that sort of thing. It’s so easy to go from having fun with your pigeons to racing and then thinking about always making money selling pedigree birds. I don’t have anything against people that make a business out of it but for me I think I will get back to just enjoying my time with the birds.

Might not be important but we all go off them when buying in , we'll we do but we all know it doesn't guarantee anything

peel bros wrote:

Might not be important but we all go off them when buying in , we'll we do but we all know it doesn't guarantee anything

That’s the plain truth, you have to look at something when considering buying a pigeon. I guess for me what I’m saying is I don’t think I will be shopping anymore. I have a lot of friends that race in different clubs that want to see how their birds do in my club and vice versa. So we send our top young birds back-and-forth and I think that’s the best Pigeons you will ever get and they are free!

Mike wrote:

peel bros wrote:

Might not be important but we all go off them when buying in , we'll we do but we all know it doesn't guarantee anything

That’s the plain truth, you have to look at something when considering buying a pigeon. I guess for me what I’m saying is I don’t think I will be shopping anymore. I have a lot of friends that race in different clubs that want to see how their birds do in my club and vice versa. So we send our top young birds back-and-forth and I think that’s the best Pigeons you will ever get and they are free!

thats the way to do it keep yer dosh in yer pocket

just don't turn paper pedigree pigeons into more of the same, concentrate on turning them or their offspring into racing pigeons, give them performance accountability, stay on track, keep the best but if you got room it never hurts to keep a few nestmates to, or siblings off the best as long as these haven't been miles behind every week and you view them as your type of pigeon. I know winners come in all shapes etc, but to me an ugly, long tailed, bent keeled winner doesn't become a vision of beauty if it wins, to me it's still an ugly looking winner that's earned it's perch

Mike wrote:

Thanks for your opinions. I kind of felt that way myself since these top racers were interested in what I was flying and I don’t have  pedigrees. Actually that’s not true I have 2 with papers that have all kinds of champions in their background and I don’t like the way they look or feel. I’m definitely not going to go after that sort of thing. It’s so easy to go from having fun with your pigeons to racing and then thinking about always making money selling pedigree birds. I don’t have anything against people that make a business out of it but for me I think I will get back to just enjoying my time with the birds.

Thats my boy, if you enjoy the birds win draw or lose tis far better than being depressed if everything does not go your way.

Swapping birds a good idea benifit for all concerned to introduce a new bloodine and both parties will get some enjoyment in doing so.

Good luck mike.

Regards.

We have done it both ways , won with pigeons gifted and with some fantastic results and won with ones we buy in again fantastic results. Like everyone else we have bought a lot of rubbish in as well and I must admit we hang onto those a little bit longer than we should, only because it's our hard earned cash we use to buy these birds in . Again that is the beauty of our sport, anything can win and its great to try different birds year in and year out

barnie wrote:

just don't turn paper pedigree pigeons into more of the same, concentrate on turning them or their offspring into racing pigeons, give them performance accountability, stay on track, keep the best but if you got room it never hurts to keep a few nestmates to, or siblings off the best as long as these haven't been miles behind every week and you view them as your type of pigeon. I know winners come in all shapes etc, but to me an ugly, long tailed, bent keeled winner doesn't become a vision of beauty if it wins, to me it's still an ugly looking winner that's earned it's perch

Agreed, My number 1 bird is definatly not a looker or even a bird you would expect much out of. He proved he has the stuff and I will have to respect that. I always thought he was an interesting one though!

Mike wrote:

barnie wrote:

just don't turn paper pedigree pigeons into more of the same, concentrate on turning them or their offspring into racing pigeons, give them performance accountability, stay on track, keep the best but if you got room it never hurts to keep a few nestmates to, or siblings off the best as long as these haven't been miles behind every week and you view them as your type of pigeon. I know winners come in all shapes etc, but to me an ugly, long tailed, bent keeled winner doesn't become a vision of beauty if it wins, to me it's still an ugly looking winner that's earned it's perch

Agreed, My number 1 bird is definatly not a looker or even a bird you would expect much out of. He proved he has the stuff and I will have to respect that. I always thought he was an interesting one though!

There is no perfect specimin pigeon, you only have to look through history to see they come in every possible size shape and ability.

Even today just look in the fancies publications,some of the best performers lack many of the assets the experts say are eccential.

For myself I got more pleasure founding a reliable family that produced winners for me and for many others, money never mentioned, after several years never introduced only the odd one borrowed from friends and studs and returned them.

Would not have got the same enjoyment flying other fanciers pigeons.

Regards.

ive seen pigeons that have won some top positions and races, than look like a streeter .......so looks dont mean the bird is good or bad ive found .

what yer after is repeat performers ,breeding from proven birds on the road increases yer chances ,as barnie says its ok to try paper pigeons but the thing is alot of them have generations of untried birds therefore lessening yer chances of a good one ,even the very best breed rubbish but dont get me wrong its exciting buying in and giving it a go if you have the space to experiment so theres nowt wrong with that and sometimes it works

Mike wrote:

How important are pedigrees?
I ask because I raced my first season 2021 YB against guys with 30 - 50 years in the game & top pedigrees and did just fine!

Pedigrees are like looking into a mirror at ones soul etc Mick I suggest. Will find good/bad points there, even facts which have a certain criminal nature attached End of the day just keep an open mind, listen hard, say little & be guided by a few close friends in a pigeon type sense that know when spin is just spin but also know in their own way       that Mr basket is one of the smartest blokes around as such .