natural vits in corn

im not sure now but dont all good corns have its own natural vitamins in them.

i would emagine the individual seeds ie maize, peas, beans etc would have a certain amount in them........not certain but would thing so.

Will second that David

yes their is of course a certain amount but is their enough for racing birds and each mix of corn will have different amounts

If you think the verious corns and seeds we give our birds isnt enough for them to race , breed and live, YOU ARE A FOOL, I have said before we have doves living in the trees by my loft, they roost in the same place every day and night and the droppings fall in the same place .... I will post a picture of thier droppings, PERFECT, what do they eat? a Dam sight less than my pigeons and thats a fact. They are as healthy as a race horse, vitamins will do nothing for anything, I raced well last year no potions or tonics and no vits and I topped sections and opens, you dont need them, buy better pigeons.

there must be one hell of a lot of fools out there then
and a bigger lot of companies making fools of us
that would also mean all the top flyers that advise people are giving us all bull to
i think not but we all have our own opiniuns
and i do agree you need good birds

the thing is wild birds have acess to all sorts of natural things that contain goodness and its not always easy to obtain top birds for a reasonable sum that are proven i agree their are alot of potions on the market that are touted by some that are indeed of no use but with some i have noticed a difference of benefit and only use natural products anyway

You only have to look at a body and ridewood catalogue to see what fools pigeon fanciers really are, thats why there are products for just about everything...... ..Even If you take one product company such as avifoam, If you use all the product range they have and sugest we use there isnt enough days in the week to put what they sell in the water, so yes fools we are.
Vitamins will never improve anything, and wont make them win, they are usless, and I sugest trying 1 season without using anything no tonics potions or powders...and I bet anyone they wont be worst than the last 1.

Are you saying only seeds and plain water? No medicine, and just cull birds that get sick? I have heard of this method, completely natural. I dont know anyone that uses it, can you help me understand?

Chad wrote:

Are you saying only seeds and plain water? No medicine, and just cull birds that get sick? I have heard of this method, completely natural. I dont know anyone that uses it, can you help me understand?

im only a starter but a guy i know uses red cell. its used for race horses and other large animals he mixes it in with the food plenty of iron and minerals he swears by it any of you guys use it?

Rudderfett wrote:

If you think the verious corns and seeds we give our birds isnt enough for them to race , breed and live, YOU ARE A FOOL, I have said before we have doves living in the trees by my loft, they roost in the same place every day and night and the droppings fall in the same place .... I will post a picture of thier droppings, PERFECT, what do they eat? a Dam sight less than my pigeons and thats a fact. They are as healthy as a race horse, vitamins will do nothing for anything, I raced well last year no potions or tonics and no vits and I topped sections and opens, you dont need them, buy better pigeons.

Your right Martyn but the one thing i will say is the doves in your tree are not put under the stress your race birds are put under with training and racing so yes the vitamins may help out

But you are right for seeing the difference with or without vitamins

lofthouse wrote:

Chad wrote:

Are you saying only seeds and plain water? No medicine, and just cull birds that get sick? I have heard of this method, completely natural. I dont know anyone that uses it, can you help me understand?

im only a starter but a guy i know uses red cell. its used for race horses and other large animals he mixes it in with the food plenty of iron and minerals he swears by it any of you guys use it?

I know guys who use it, to me it is just another vitamin. Most seeds mixes and pellets all have a decent amount of vitamins.
To me it is not just using vitamins, you should know what vitamins you dont have in the seed mix or what extra you need if any.

Chad wrote:

Are you saying only seeds and plain water? No medicine, and just cull birds that get sick? I have heard of this method, completely natural. I dont know anyone that uses it, can you help me understand?

no chad you will find most flyers will use vits for there birds and i would say all of them use medicine to treat there birds.i think you will find when most talk about natural things its just things off the shelf with no chemicals added.

lofthouse wrote:

Chad wrote:

Are you saying only seeds and plain water? No medicine, and just cull birds that get sick? I have heard of this method, completely natural. I dont know anyone that uses it, can you help me understand?

im only a starter but a guy i know uses red cell. its used for race horses and other large animals he mixes it in with the food plenty of iron and minerals he swears by it any of you guys use it?

ive heard of it before lofthouse, mark caudwell`s system refers to it along with many other "tonics/potions" and you are right it is used for race horses.......

i think a lot of all these vitamins/tonics are just money making for the suppliers, they all claim that theres is the best and if you dont buy it you will win nothing.......everything now seems designed to get money out of gulible fanciers who are chasing wins, this is just my opinion but look in the weeklies and you will see them all,

i once read in a pigeon mag that we rarely see plain, simple grit advertised........why ? because its cheap and theres very little profit in it thats why.

David wrote:

i think a lot of all these vitamins/tonics are just money making for the suppliers, they all claim that theres is the best and if you dont buy it you will win nothing.......everything now seems designed to get money out of gulible fanciers who are chasing wins, this is just my opinion but look in the weeklies and you will see them all,

i once read in a pigeon mag that we rarely see plain, simple grit advertised........why ? because its cheap and theres very little profit in it thats why.

very true david all we can do is buy whats others have used and said helped them or some thing that as worked for us.

ive always used pigeon tea and glucose and good old johnsons iron tonic
i sure wouldnt pay the price some are asking for the same i can get from a shop a third or less off the price

david start a product you use page see how many we get lol

start me off with tea

The Red cell is for race horses, it is a iron booster. Some vitamins will just pass throught the bird if he gets more than needed and some vitamins will build up a toxicity. Im not saying red cell is bad and I dont know if it will pass or build up tixicity. I mean to say I dont want to use something I dont know why Im using it or know that I need it.

I understand energy comes from fat, longer races I understand to feed more fat.
Carbs are used really fast and are better for shorter races were the birds are nearly home when the carbs are burnt.
Iron helps the blood flow but, how do we know his blood is not flowing well already?

Chad wrote:

The Red cell is for race horses, it is a iron booster. Some vitamins will just pass throught the bird if he gets more than needed and some vitamins will build up a toxicity. Im not saying red cell is bad and I dont know if it will pass or build up tixicity. I mean to say I dont want to use something I dont know why Im using it or know that I need it.

I understand energy comes from fat, longer races I understand to feed more fat.
Carbs are used really fast and are better for shorter races were the birds are nearly home when the carbs are burnt.
Iron helps the blood flow but, how do we know his blood is not flowing well already?

spanish peanuts is good to fatten up yr birds plenty protein