Training laterbreds...

how would members go about training ybs which havent raced or been trained this season, ive 15 which havnt so how would you go about it ........?

I have the same problem, i managed to get them down to 10 mile or so but work and time got in the way, i am thinking at the moment get them through the moult and start a fresh next year with them ,

hi chris, some say they need it in their first year (ybs) but i havnt a clue......i know that if i dont manage to give them at least some training they will be wasted for racing, i would be happy to get them to pontifract which is approx 12 miles from me, its better than nothing i suppose.

they wount get waisted for racing david , ive done that for years not trained my yb ive started them off as yearlings same as the old birds , ok you drop some but bulk of them will be ok just watch out for the east winds early in april .

Are they ranging when flying round the loft?

yes gary, they go ranging but now the racing is over they stay in the loft for now with the others, maybe going out sundays.

I wouldnt bother mate or maybe get em up to twenty miles, because they will have gone over ten miles ranging. But train em with your old birds next year they should be fine. So long as you ease them into it for a few tosses when training next year. Short toss, fly em round the loft. 20 miles fly em round the loft and them hammer them. Owt with any brains should be ok.

i wouldnt bother racing latebreds in my opinion , only good for the stock loft

quote="ian"]i wouldnt bother racing latebreds in my opinion , only good for the stock loft[/quote]. Being new to racing pigeons i cannot understand your thoughts on this one ? What's the differance in a pigeon born at the start of the year and one born at the end of the year, why would one be good for racing and yet the late bred is not?

I asked a club member that chris and they said there just rubbish dosnt matter how much he trained them he lose them left right and center he said best holding onto them till there 2year old what I got told

chris perry wrote:

quote="ian"]i wouldnt bother racing latebreds in my opinion , only good for the stock loft

. Being new to racing pigeons i cannot understand your thoughts on this one ? What's the differance in a pigeon born at the start of the year and one born at the end of the year, why would one be good for racing and yet the late bred is not? [/quote]

alot of fanciers have this point of view chris and some late breds turn out to be good racers but have to admit the percentage seems to be low however is this because they push them to hard to quick if it were me i would treat lb's the same as a young bird jmo but have to say i have had no exsperience with them realy

You could be on to something there darren, we go easy with the y.b,s let them range then train them slowly , then get them ready for racing, come the end of the year we are so excited with the season that we forgot how slowly we took the y/b,s and try to rush the late breds into catching up , maybee not intentionally but i bet there is some people out there guilty of this with out even realising , and who gets the blame ? The pigeon not the managemant

exactly chris its still a pigeon with homing instinct after the moult you could even give a few trainers on good dry sunny days with a few that have some exsperience but this could prove risky with the hawk and falcon at minimum i would get them drinking from the basket and getting used to being released from it jmo patience is the key i think as i have learnt this year

like i said darren my opinion not alone on this , many fanciers think the same a lot lot have had birds for many years and are a lot wiser than myself,

thing is ian i have heard of some good results with late breds so not all are bad but like i said the percentage seems to be low but their again the percentage of good pigeons is low in every yb team usualy, out of 30 ybs if i was honest only 6 of them showed any real potential but obviously that could change when they are obs thats the beauty of pigeon racing its an open book alot of the time jmo

yes darren see were you coming from but i want to give myself the best possible chance of competing in races and putting latebreds in my team is a no go

darren if you type in racing latebreds in google see what comes up many negatives from people who have tried and tested them

yes j have to agree it aint for me either as they can be alot of hard work and would much prefer ybs all the same age but maybe with a team of late breds for someone starting out it could prove a bit different

yes i agree could be different with somebody with a full team of them

David i agree with all thats been said i think 15 is too many and in the winter it may look as if you have a strong team when in effect you don't also i would think it pointless if they were the same way bred as birds you have lost just one other thing as you know i posted about a November bred bird winning Bergerac 500mls this year and were before i would never have tried this just maybe i now would consider this over a late bred hope it makes sense george

David if my menory serves me right long ago rings were issued on the 1st of January there was no bank hoilday then and so you would pair up late November to have early young birds and so to breed in November may not seem as stupid as at first thought george

i have i suppose late breds,as i had 3 rounds of ybs and i started late remember,but all my ybs did race.i must admit i hate it when they do,nt get at least one race..i do think they need some experience if you can get it..this is only my opinion but i think these early bred ybs become very lazy thoughout the season,especially when they start to pair up.it does,nt bother me that much if my ybs are different ages really,but it would be nice to get them about the same ages if possible..in some cases the later bred ybs become your best yearlings as i think it might have something to do with being on semi dark,they are not on the whole programme

In my opinion late breds can raced and in some cases can be winners. No doubt about it they will be well bred as they will will come from your race team. The key to winning with latebreds is motivation. If they are going to fly to an empty perch well what's the point of hurrying home, or coming home at all for that matter. The following year, they are not exactly a yearling, but a youngbird with an older ring on.
They have had no training, yet they are let out and have not flown away from the loft and have maybe been flying round for months. So they know where they live.
Start your old bird team off a little early and take kiddie steps with them. Late breds will have an advantage over youngbirds, they will be training with birds that know the way home.
Another thing is check their health, make sure theres no signs respiratory, such as dirty or greasy wattles, open beak especially after a fly round or sometimes they wont even fly round at all and they get branded as being lazy.
It's the fancier that's lazy.
They will nine times out of ten have some sort of respiratory problem. They may not be ill, infact they may look extremely well.
Sometimes a big give away are the feathers around the ears, they may not sit right and stand out slightly.
If this is case and it's not corrected, they will come home late from training may even not come home at all.
A drop of clearway in the drinking water, will make all the difference.
This is only my opinion.

george are you saying you would entertain late breds but not to many i take it

No what i'm saying i would rather put say a 2010 ring on a November bred bird than a latebred i found latebreds never very robust and that was for breeding as well.. they just never looked the part and i would think most fanciers have no confidence in them