ANYONE THINKING OF PAIRING UP YET

the scrounger is 3rd highest David, hopefully he will be 4th next year, 2 top flyers are brilliant to get on with

stormqueen wrote:

am glad am not in your club david na only joking if your not far off the top flyer you know your doing sommit right and time will let you catch up no problem its all a matter of time its a waiting game and you got to be pashant

thats right john, aim for the top ones and even if you dont win as long as your there abouts and near them you are on the right track......i know i will be lucky to get a first but even if i canget a result ill be happy enough and its just a matter of building up a team over a few years like the top men have done...

steve1952 wrote:

the scrounger is 3rd highest David, hopefully he will be 4th next year, 2 top flyers are brilliant to get on with

hi steve, some top flyers are........for various reasons sometimes tho, but if they are genuine and are helping a new starter listen to what they tell you and if you think its good advise apply it to your birds.......hope you do know him off his perch steve.

Everyone is there to be beat, pick out the best flyers they are the ones that will motivate you , to motivate ur birds to beat them, You kniow when you are beating them because u dont finish infront of them once but are doing it consistantley, they saying goes you will only get back what you put in, put the time effort and dedication in you will get ur rewards,
Ken

mate is taking trailer with birds training mine are going in baskets in back of car, training on their own not with rest

friendsloft wrote:

Everyone is there to be beat, pick out the best flyers they are the ones that will motivate you , to motivate ur birds to beat them, You kniow when you are beating them because u dont finish infront of them once but are doing it consistantley, they saying goes you will only get back what you put in, put the time effort and dedication in you will get ur rewards,
Ken

ken, when we have had disscussions before about % birds or fancier.....and we all have different views on this, you have just hit on a major point as motivation, the good flyer who i bought these new birds from someone told me that he could win with a fantail as he can motivate anything to win.....what do you think ?

sorry to jump in david no way,still have to have good birds

peel bros wrote:

sorry to jump in david no way,still have to have good birds

thanks for jumping in ray and giving your opinion........yes i agree the birds must be capable of winning but do you think the reason why sometimes fanciers dont do any good is because they cant/dont motivate correctly ?

David Motivation plays a major part, in preparing ur birds for the race, The fancier needs to know what he is doing, ne knows what works for what bird so acts accordingley, love of home plays apart, training plays apart, some fanciers will only train upto first old bird race then not train again but rely purely on motivation, others will give the birds the odd training chuck if they think the birds need it, others will train old birds everyday throgh out the old bird programme, each as a different route, notice i havent mentioned y/bs that is a different game altogether
Ken

P,S Ray is also right you do need good birds, birds that race home and not home, but u still need to motivate the good birds
Ken

totally agree with all that

so what advise would you give me as a new starter with ybs so that i can try to compete with the best flyers, bearing in mind they will have a team/family of recent winners from which they are breeding from......and mine will be bredfrom new stock.

David first of all youngbirds are everyones new stock, champion birds dont always breed champion young, To start with watch ur young birds , even very young birds will tell you if they have a brain, watch them when they are flying around the loft watch which ones pick a perch and defends that perch, Young birds need to be schooled well, before they get to that starting line, train them in small groups of say 6 at a time teach the birds to be leaders not followers, train them on the line of flight to get them going, when u have them say 30 miles and are comming out of the basket and heading straight for home , start following the wind if west in wind train east of flight to make them head into it and visa versa east wind train west of flight, Young birds will fly with the wind rather than against it here u are teaching the birds to break rather than flying past and working their way back, once racing starts i still train every day except sat race day sunday is rest day
Ken

so do you train your ybs your self all the season or go with club training once they start racing.....

No i train on my own, David as u know im a early morner trainer, 2 reasons i have the sky to myself plus i can feed them before i go to work at 07.00. Mine never have a mass release untill the first race whether this is a good thing i dont know its just something ive always done
Ken

Spot on Ken

But if you want to beat the top flyers then you must be paired up by no latter than Boxing day

friendsloft wrote:

No i train on my own, David as u know im a early morner trainer, 2 reasons i have the sky to myself plus i can feed them before i go to work at 07.00. Mine never have a mass release untill the first race whether this is a good thing i dont know its just something ive always done
Ken

well ken,if this method works for you, and i know it does.....why change it. ive heard quite a few fanciers train in this way and let them up in small groups at certain intervals. dont fix what isnt broken ken......

Don Webb wrote:

But if you want to beat the top flyers then you must be paired up by no latter than Boxing day

Don can you explain why please?

when are you pairing up amanda........(your pigeons i mean) im hoping to pair mine about the last week in december......

They bred early to get the young birds mature for the important races also on the dark they can have a good feather when racing (full wings)

DAVID wrote:

when are you pairing up amanda........(your pigeons i mean) im hoping to pair mine about the last week in december......

Im pairing up 3rd week of Jan.

is that for any reason amanda, or that its the usual time you normally pair up..........do you put them on the dark from weaning or wait a while ?

I might have to spend time in worcester as Philip has to have ct scan and doctors appointments plus we have to move my son Philip up here, so thats the time they have to go together.
The young birds will go on the dark 1st of April. When do you put yours on the dark ??

i havnt flown them on the dark before amanda, as this is my first season back so will be just racing the ybs......im undecided weather to darken from weaning or when the clocks alter as ive heard this is what some fanciers do....

Its very much the same time David, clocks go forward on March 28th in 2010
As they say up here in the northeast its 6 and two 3s