who is to blame for a east wind

i'm not pretending that i know anything about racing pigeons or the weather but i have been reading the comments on who is to blame when there is a disaster everyone new with east wind forecast it was going to be a hard day on saturday but you still put your birds in the basket and think thats it, the problem with a east wind is it is unpredictable and the weather usually is worse not better i can understand blame being put on someone if the forecast was to change from good to bad but not this time maybe we need a scale to give fanciers a more simpler way to judge a race and that is on points system were say a tail wind would be very low points up to a east or north east wind would be 8-10 points if at the liberation site there was a change in the weather the points would then change and if up from basketing this could show up on a decision to liberate hope this makes sense george

have i read this correct is what you are saying is that the higher the score rating the less likely you are to get a liberation
or are you saying that the birds accumulate points on how well they do in different winds at liberation

the higher the points the harder the race so in a east wind thats 8-10 that way if you send any birds don't complain in a E or NE it is almost impossible to predict if it will be a disaster or a hard race you think and hope it's going be ok all the hard races this year have come in a E orNE wind and you still want to blame someone else on Friday posts were going up that Saturday was going to be hard one well they were correct next Saturday looks like due south which will make it a tail wind george

the trouble is the british weather can change at a blink of the eye so not sure if points would help the birds would already be at the lib site and you cant phone up and say ive changed my mind let all the other birds go but bring mine back. and at the end of the day if your not in you wont win . we all have a choice but at liberation there is a decision to be made and imo the birds welfare should come first not the truck drivers. hes getting paid do do a job so he should do it properly if hes unsure what to do he has contacts that will make the final decision

The only thing i can say about east winds is it sorts the birds out compared to blow homes / easy races

A ndyw i will try once again to explain to you what i meant if you know that a race is rated 8-10 before you send them and it turns out to be true then what you get is from a hard race to a disaster you know before you put your birds in the basket this is what it could be it is almost impossible to tell how cold a E or NE wind is over a distance of 200-300 mls and flying from the south to the north of England a pigeon can take so many hard races and then justs gives up and usually a fresh bird say a late bred or a bird having it's first race will shine through so understand you cannot predict how hard a race in east or north east wind is going to be that is impossible and different from a easy race turning into a hard race a few weeks ago i said in fishing there is a saying when the wind is from the east fish will be the least and take my word on it it will be fanciers must take more notice of the weather and put that against the size of there race team george

easerly winds are deadly to the reacing pigeon. but a good bird will get through where a young bird wont put there noses in to it for long. but if you add rain clound cover you dont expect a race controller to let them off. then you get what we got 86 birds home out of 700 .

Don Webb wrote:

The only thing i can say about east winds is it sorts the birds out compared to blow homes / easy races

it certainly sorted mine out don,i,m still 7 missing ,but if they are not good enough there not good enough you have to hold your hands up and admit it to be honest,but to be fair i think the birds this year have had it very hard with every race being a hard one,so sometimes i think they cannot be blamed when they go missing or are late but it has sorted mine out but on the other hand a lot have called it a day this season ,which is not a good sign at all

are many of the birds today bred for speed and not endurence

a lot of the belgun birds dont race far ie 50 60 70 mile races 7 days aweek

and yet we continue to purchase them but are they good birds

i was thinking just the same thing but thought i had said enough george

RAY does that mean you will now get rid of the parent birds of those who did not make it back george

i dont have a clue about winds and point systems etc, but are the drivers who liberate them pigeon fanciers ? do they have the say weather to liberate ? do they have any say ? if not who does have the final say ?

also i think the birds welfare should come first, the driver has taken on the job so he cant grumble if there is an holdover, it seems a lot of these decisions on liberation are down to money.......and sod the bird.

These guys have it sussed.
http://wolverhamptonfed.co.uk/
you can't argue when you see it done like this, it wouldn't take much to set up for any fed.

david always think twice before sending in a E or NE wind north road would be SE what they say about a east wind is if you have a east wind one day and it is still there the next day then you are in for very bad weather george

whats all the fuss about east winds , east winds to the west country flyers are spot on cos they help them to keep over the west side of the country and the cornwall and devon boys get really high vel with east winds
90% of the time we have to fly in westerly winds and thats a head wind to us down hear get a grip if the birds arn,t up to it then its tough shit . i think its got more to do with all these new gadgets we have now mobiles laptops satatilte tv all need signals to work its got to effect our birds some how , or the birds just not up to it
with been bred from untried stock what haven,t raced for years . at the end of the day no one makes you send your birds your the boss im not keeping them at home cos its a east wind there racing pigeons so thats what they will do if there fit then they will go end of .

One thing I have been thinking about over the past couple of days. This weather we have been having of late is typical British weather, ok for the last 6 or 7 years we have had pretty mild weather.
Take a look at a lot of the pigeon breeds we keep today, many are of the small slender athletic European type pigeons.
I think a lot of these breeds are fair weather pigeons and cannot cope with these harsh weather racing conditions.
Look at a lot of well established fanciers with the older traditional breeds, they might be a bigger heavier pigeon that cannot compete on fine weather days, but give them harsh conditions that requires endurance and they will come every time.
Just a a thought.

peel bros wrote:

Don Webb wrote:

The only thing i can say about east winds is it sorts the birds out compared to blow homes / easy races

it certainly sorted mine out don,i,m still 7 missing ,but if they are not good enough there not good enough you have to hold your hands up and admit it to be honest,but to be fair i think the birds this year have had it very hard with every race being a hard one,so sometimes i think they cannot be blamed when they go missing or are late but it has sorted mine out but on the other hand a lot have called it a day this season ,which is not a good sign at all

Will agree with you Ray about the season being hard all round mate

Gaz b wrote:

These guys have it sussed.
http://wolverhamptonfed.co.uk/
you can't argue when you see it done like this, it wouldn't take much to set up for any fed.

Gary that is a new transporter mate raced in the wolverhampton fed a few times the old transported was painted Gold and Black like the wolves colours, this site is a new site as Bill Paddock died and no one did the site work so from what i see is a new web site also mate and it looks a good one also

Must say mate every time i convoyed the worcester fed the liberation i did was the same the birds always come out like bullets even when you watched the other feds

Have never seen pigeons coming out slowly