Lice Treatment

Anybody know what are safe lice treatments to use on parent birds with small chicks in the nest . I have some Harkers Harka-Mectin spot treatment drops bur these cant be used on parents while babies are in the nest or on young birds until they are 6 weeks old.
Cheers Steve

Google permetrin/pigeons
I use Permetrin Two spray

dont use permetherin while ybs are in the nest ...just use salt and vinegar in the bath water ...permetherin is good for lice and mites but can be dangerous for ybs in the nest afterall its a chemical jmo i also use one spot but not when ybs are in the nest atb

oldstrain wrote:

dont use permetherin while ybs are in the nest ...just use salt and vinegar in the bath water ...permetherin is good for lice and mites but can be dangerous for ybs in the nest afterall its a chemical jmo i also use one spot but not when ybs are in the nest atb

I put one desert spoon salt and 10m cider vinegar per litre in bath today . Is this dose strong enough?

hi steve, i use salt and ordinary table vinegar in the bath water, i just guess and pour what i think in, i dont think it will harm them as long as its not too strong......

David wrote:

hi steve, i use salt and ordinary table vinegar in the bath water, i just guess and pour what i think in, i dont think it will harm them as long as its not too strong......

Thanks for that David if they dont disappear I'll double the dose next time. Dont think it matters what vinegar you use, I used cider vinegar because my daughter has gallons of the stuff she uses it for her horses and I keep pinching it for the pigeons.

I use a dust made from limestone I think its what they use on chickens 100% safe and natural, I put it in the nest bowls and over the straw so when the are sitting it goes on them and keeps the youngsters free from them too.

David wrote:

hi steve, i use salt and ordinary table vinegar in the bath water, i just guess and pour what i think in, i dont think it will harm them as long as its not too strong......

My mix is !!!!!!!!!!!
1 cup of pool salt
I/2 cup ordinary vinegar
1/2 cup of bleach
Capful of tea tree oil (mixed in warm water)
25 litres of water in my bath etc
Haven't killed any yet, ????????????? when they drink it
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Rudderfett wrote:

I use a dust made from limestone I think its what they use on chickens 100% safe and natural, I put it in the nest bowls and over the straw so when the are sitting it goes on them and keeps the youngsters free from them too.

yes i use diatoms around nest bowl great stuff

Steve Leslie wrote:

David wrote:

hi steve, i use salt and ordinary table vinegar in the bath water, i just guess and pour what i think in, i dont think it will harm them as long as its not too strong......

Thanks for that David if they dont disappear I'll double the dose next time. Dont think it matters what vinegar you use, I used cider vinegar because my daughter has gallons of the stuff she uses it for her horses and I keep pinching it for the pigeons.

as david says vinegar wont harm them but go easy with the salt i put a clenched handfull in the bath but about 200 mil of vinegar for 10 litres

I use permanganate of potash in the bath water, I also dip a beer mat in creosote and put under nest bowl, seems to work for me.

Not sure about the bleach mate..there have been some very interesting posts when bleach gets mentioned, for me that would be madness to put bleach in the water, I dont give my pigeons anything I wouldnt eat or drink literally.

i agree martyn bleach aint for me either ...i tried the condys crystals dai but the birds would not go into the purple bath water

Knackered wrote:

David wrote:

hi steve, i use salt and ordinary table vinegar in the bath water, i just guess and pour what i think in, i dont think it will harm them as long as its not too strong......

My mix is !!!!!!!!!!!
1 cup of pool salt
I/2 cup ordinary vinegar
1/2 cup of bleach
Capful of tea tree oil (mixed in warm water)
25 litres of water in my bath etc
Haven't killed any yet, ????????????? when they drink it
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i agree with martyn, bleach is one of my dislikes as far as pigeons are concerned, bleach utensiles and rinse thoroughly by all means....but as for them drinking it NO !!! JMO

My mix is !!!!!!!!!!!
1 cup of pool salt
I/2 cup ordinary vinegar
1/2 cup of bleach
Capful of tea tree oil (mixed in warm water)
25 litres of water in my bath etc
Haven't killed any yet, ????????????? when they drink it
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i agree with martyn, bleach is one of my dislikes as far as pigeons are concerned, bleach utensiles and rinse thoroughly by all means....but as for them drinking it NO !!! JMO[/quote]

David & Martyn want to get the gloves out I will take you on (both at the same time) experience has taught me differant to what you both think I would say, many years ago.
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hi knackered, why would you think bleach ( a corrosive) is safe for pigeons to drink ? as you may be aware bleach has either killed or seriously harmed small children who have drank it.......

if for instance your child was ill and your doctor told you to give him/her a mixture of bleach and water, what would you think.....? would you give it them ?

David wrote:

hi knackered, why would you think bleach ( a corrosive) is safe for pigeons to drink ? as you may be aware bleach has either killed or seriously harmed small children who have drank it.......

if for instance your child was ill and your doctor told you to give him/her a mixture of bleach and water, what would you think.....? would you give it them ?

What's the difference between pool salt and ordinary salt and where do you get pool salt. People used to pay more money for sea salt for cooking until it was disclosed that it had exactly the same ingredients as ordinary salt. As for bleach its probably a good ingredient to add to bath water if your culling your pigeons. Maybe pigeons are cleverer than we give then credit for and can sense what not to drink but is ok to bathe in.

David wrote:

hi knackered, why would you think bleach ( a corrosive) is safe for pigeons to drink ? as you may be aware bleach has either killed or seriously harmed small children who have drank it.......
if for instance your child was ill and your doctor told you to give him/her a mixture of bleach and water, what would you think.....? would you give it them ?

David !!!!!!!!!! I fully understand etc where your coming from on this topic. It is one of those topics which get's the hackles up with people. Has done so for 50 odd yrs that I know of etc.
You may have heard of an author in pigeons books called Wendell Levi (American) had a small stud 20,000 to 30,000 birds "just small fish"
One of his medicines/tonics was Muriatic acid (spirits of salts) any old plumber would know it 15/20mls to a bucket approximately.
So !!!!!!!!!! stop worrying etc & stay & try both of the above. You might just be surprized in there benefits.
Word of warning, to the brave stick to 5mls each/bucket & you will be safe. *****

if for instance your child was ill and your doctor told you to give him/her a mixture of bleach and water, what would you think.....? would you give it them ?[/quote]

What's the difference between pool salt and ordinary salt and where do you get pool salt. People used to pay more money for sea salt for cooking until it was disclosed that it had exactly the same ingredients as ordinary salt. As for bleach its probably a good ingredient to add to bath water if your culling your pigeons. Maybe pigeons are cleverer than we give then credit for and can sense what not to drink but is ok to bathe in.[/quote]

Steve !!!!!!!!!!!!! most probably no differance etc pool/human salt, except that it is bigger in size 1/4 inch type of thing on average. I buy mine at the local hardware store (Bunnings) Bigger than Levi's loft also we have special pool stores (swimming) they also stock it. $7 for 25kgs cheap as chips here, in my view.
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plenty of guys give bleach or sterilising fluid in the water and it wont overly harm yer birds if given in the correct dose but i just wonder of the damage if given regular over a extended period of time ...

bleach is a corrosive, which will rot what it comes into contact with ie the stomach, who knows what sort of damage it does to something as small as a pigeons organs...?

David wrote:

bleach is a corrosive, which will rot what it comes into contact with ie the stomach, who knows what sort of damage it does to something as small as a pigeons organs...?

David, My love was distance racing 400/600miles. do you think now I would use bleach for 20 odd yrs etc, if I thought it was harmful "no way known".
PS I'm knackered completely here. I'm of to the races.
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David wrote:

bleach is a corrosive, which will rot what it comes into contact with ie the stomach, who knows what sort of damage it does to something as small as a pigeons organs...?

yes this is my thoughts it aint for me their are other things i would rather use than take the chance

Knackered wrote:

David wrote:

bleach is a corrosive, which will rot what it comes into contact with ie the stomach, who knows what sort of damage it does to something as small as a pigeons organs...?

David, My love was distance racing 400/600miles. do you think now I would use bleach for 20 odd yrs etc, if I thought it was harmful "no way known".
PS I'm knackered completely here. I'm of to the races.
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its always good to have a sensible discussion about different members ideas and theories knackered, even tho we all dont agree all of the time its interesting to hear other peoples point of view, each to their own i say, and i do believve you wouldnt intentially give bleach to your birds if you thought it would harm them.......

even tho i dont like the idea of using bleach to be used in the drinking water, i`ll be interested in reading any of your other theories/ideas in the future....

daipigeon wrote:

I use permanganate of potash in the bath water, I also dip a beer mat in creosote and put under nest bowl, seems to work for me.

Will agree with the creosote but was also tols to place a piece of felt under the bowl during breeding this would also help stop red mite