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PostSubject: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:00 pm

Just read two articles in the Cage and Aviary, still buy it as it has some interesting articles and I bred canaries for over40 years.

One stated that the Lake District has a higher dencity of Perigrine Falcons than any where else in the world.

If this is so it follows that other areas may be the same, which puts a new aspect on just how they affect our sport

The other article involved brains in animals etc, it stated that a parrots intelligence was far better than a chickens, I bet both have better brains than those who have ruined our sport over the past 50 years.


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PostSubject: Re: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:43 pm

The lads in west wales have known about the density of perigrines for years and years, along with sparrow hawks and goshawks in plague proportions
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PostSubject: Re: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:07 pm

had 5 injured around the loft 20% of my ybs and 1 lost off the loft they are plentiful around here
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PostSubject: Re: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:55 pm

Yes, but the whole point is the powers that be who could do something about it still spout that they are an endangered species.

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PostSubject: Re: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:45 am

us pigeon fanciers know the truth misty but we don't matter sad but true in the grand scale of things
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PostSubject: Re: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:58 am

Lofty wrote:
The lads in west wales have known about the density of perigrines for years and years, along with sparrow hawks and goshawks in plague proportions
daily visitors both of these, peregrines seem to be more willing to come down lower this year to take birds where as the sparrow hawk just doesn't give a toss how or where it gets its next feed Mad
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PostSubject: Re: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:39 pm

Then it looks very much like the sport has to accept that raptors are and will always from now on be a problem.

So the sport has to look for means of making it less easy for the raptors.

If your pigeons are being attacked around the loft, only let them out in the evening,
the raptors will not wait and will have to find alternative means of food early in the day and if they obtain another source they will probably stick to it.

Train them as late as possible in the day.

There must be fanciers with other ideas and it is about time they got together and discussed possible solutions to reduce the problem, because it is not going to go away.

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PostSubject: Re: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:49 pm

Whilst apathy rules so will the sports problems increase, it is no good exchanging each others problems, you should be working together to find solutions to them.

There has been no attempt of any consequence during the past 45 years to improve the sport, whilst many others have done so and are thriving.

Snooker, almost a dead duck, now thriving, football, cycling. cricket, horse racing
etc; have all made changes according to changed circumstances., and are well established and under no threat.


Fanciers have onlly themselves to blame for not taking a concerned interest during that time, APATHY??? still the biggest problem in the sport.

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PostSubject: Re: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:58 pm

Sorry, this glorious so - called sport will never change. Too many that can tickle an ear for own ends. Too many defending a corner to the cost of many. The 'able' are able to sucker the Grass routes to own ends.
Ridiculous libs and locations for the few. Sections organised for poor locations to bolster the locations. own pocket and rob them of any merit.


Plus on top of that, it is the 'Boo Hoo' brigade that ramshackle good ideas and think that they are the clever ones at the head of the Defeatists.


Noon liberations to rob genuine distance and hard day birds with 'Middle distance... even Sprint birds, via holding the birds up at the coast, so tired birds battle on for miles... Then have the gall to advertise - (So - called youngster) as from DISTANCE birds, and the list goes on.
NRCC won't lib - unless absolute force to in any EAST in the wind … Indeed rather bring them back. Won't entertain the sensible July lib for Lerwick etc. even though been told by the people there they think that it is stupid... When every time, or nigh, a July Race has had the birds home from over 00 miles in afternoon. Need I go on...No wonder it's called the East Coast Club. Mind having stated that, it wasn't too bad for the Thurso race regards the midlands.
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PostSubject: Re: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:27 am

Daz,
The sport depends on young fanciers becoming interested, long term in the sport.

This is a technical age with numerous possibilities regarding changing matters involving the latest technology, incorporating certain aspects that may be of great interest to some youngsters.

The present system of working velocities is based on two unknowns, no one knows the exact time that a pigeon leaves the transporter, nor has anyone a clue just how far a pigeon flies from a race point to it's home loft, it is all guess work and any intelligent young person who actually considers the facts will realise this.

There is no reason why a system incorporated in a ring, like the ETS could not be activated on leaving the transporter, making the time of release correct for every pigeon singly, at the present time a race can be won by hundredths of a minute but leave the transporter a couple of minutes behind when leaving the transporter.

The ring could also include the distance the pigeon actually flies along with being tracked during flight.

The whole sport could be brought up to date and offer more than it has ever done, will it happen???

Only after pigs start to fly.

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PostSubject: Re: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:26 pm

misty, with all due respect, and I agree entirely it is the youngsters we need to carry on the sport.
As for the Timing, well I don't feel, really that a tenth of a second or so in the majority of case matters.
As for cheats It was once known that a Garage door opened with a remote put up the E.T. A second , or down … never be a way of stopping cheats, sadly.
But the biggest fault, by far I believe is this, and the past two decades have selfishly and blatantly, ignored and looked after their own ends, detrimental to the fancier in general and the so - called as a whole. Folks get comfortable with habits, and change isn't liked at the best of times.
But their is a Shabuoth laid at the those whom supposedly were looking after the sport etc. By and large it was looking after their own interests and hang the costs and darn the fanciers.
If the 140.000 fanciers in the 50's / 60's did as they should have, and the those onwards 1000's wouldn't have left the sport. Some off spring and relatives would still be flying today, I say.
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PostSubject: Re: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:47 pm

You could not be more right Daz, every time a proposal to improve the sport comes about the Old Brigade step in and use every means to stop any changes.

If a real fancier wanting the sport to change for the better steps in to support any change they are immediately lunged upon by the silly idiots who have been given a youngster or put a few bob into the club, all meaningless in terms of what it means to the giver who usually have more money than sense, so the sport stagnates.

The present season will be over before you know it and the RPRA AGM will be around the corner, this will, I feel, be the last chance for the fanciers to force changes in line with the Hall report.

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I said prior to thelast AGM exactly how thepresent Clique would respond to any changes and they did exactly that.

The proposals should not give any reason other than to improve the sport, this will stop the present idiots stopping any changes.

Letting them get away with it ?????.



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PostSubject: Re: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:18 pm

I think it is time for the ballot to be in secret. Too many are persuaded by the ear tickled. Or don't / scared to be seen as different and goes along with the crowd, right or wrong.
Also all Ballots should have three to see fair play / count. An independent, and one pro and one against... Dreams, they will never let it happen.
The age old cobblers readily spouted 'Well you know I would... it's the others.
P.s. time they woke up - sorry too late - and realised that they are the others.
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PostSubject: Re: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:51 pm

Daz

How I wish the penny would drop and the majority become concerned.


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PostSubject: Re: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:27 am

Cage and Aviary this week.

Says they have found a remedy to deal with YBS and the same product can cure almost any ailment ????.

At a price of cource.

Far better to find the cause and illiminate it as I have said for over the past 15 years or so, once you start treating a problem it remains a problem,


Some never get it so there is a reason why others do.

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PostSubject: Re: RAPTORS< CHICKENS AND BRAINS   Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:40 pm

Far better to discuss mundane and often totally irrelevant matters than things that count, and possibly improve the present state of the sport.

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