Ambition in sport

George & Morgan wrote:

i was hoping around 14 "

14 inches each to their own George & one can only do what one can do type thing. But that's dog box style     or what I would term, maybe modern day suburban type living these days unfortunately from my perspective down here now I'm .

Had pigeons breed in the most unlikely places and young turned out good uns.

Think the nest boxes are for the fancier and not the pigeons idea, know they must have somewhere to breed but nest boxes not their idea.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Had pigeons breed  in the most unlikely places and young turned out good uns.

Think the nest boxes are for the fancier and not the pigeons idea, know they must have somewhere to breed  but nest boxes not their idea.

Regards.

I fully agree if one wishes to go all out type thing thou just maybe place 2 bricks together on a floor etc & then if one really wishes then to go up market as such Misty go to your local supermarket I suggest & scrounge a load of card board boxes there for your pigeons sheer enjoyment factor when breeding.

what happened to these 2 george?

no idea Colin posted the nest more than the ybs the nest boxes were on top more than one pair may have been underneath

George & Morgan wrote:

no idea Colin posted the nest more than the ybs the nest boxes were on top more than one pair may have been underneath

Did you ring them George ?.

Regards.

yes  they may have gone olr

You have to keep better records George and know where everyone you breed goes and performs.

Regards.

i thought youd started early when i saw the ybs george, it wasnt until i saw the red rings i realised they are last years ybs .....

yes i write done ever ring number and where the yb has gone over the last few years, at one point i didnt have a clue where they had gone ....... it made me realise it could cost me a lot of money if they got lost and unscrupulous buyers didnt transfer them

red rings were not last year 3 years ago i don't have any birds with red rings

Loft where of 2347 entries one fancier sent 117 are at 8 miles and 505 pigeons down.

The OL Knackered mentioned Meadow OL, Australia has 36 fanciers and 212 pigeons.

Wonderful area will be very interesting.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Loft where of 2347 entries one fancier sent 117 are at 8 miles and 505 pigeons down.

The OL Knackered mentioned Meadow OL, Australia has 36 fanciers and 212 pigeons.

Wonderful area will be very interesting.

Regards.
 

Glad you had a look etc Misty but early days type thing down here with the Meadows scenario even I haven't put a youngster across into my race loft here as such. Normally here each year in the end they will finish up with around the 1500 bird mark for racing, with a general average of around 6 per flyer as such.

George & Morgan wrote:

i was hoping around 14 "

too small for me,you must be able to get the second bowl in the box and the bowls are about 9 inch so i would say at least 20 inch wide and 15 inch deep because you dont want ybs getting pushed out the nest when the hen goes down again because she will before they first round is weaned ,just my thoughts on it atb

oldstrain wrote:

George & Morgan wrote:

i was hoping around 14 "

too small for me,you must be able to get the second bowl in the box and the bowls are about 9 inch so i would say at least 20 inch wide and 15 inch deep because you dont want ybs getting pushed out the nest when the hen goes down again because she will before they first round is weaned ,just my thoughts on it atb

Somehow came across a site discussing nest bowls and nesting material was a real eye opener to what different fanciers use.

For myself thought along the lines of the old brick lofts for breeding for eating.
never heard of any health problems nor loss of young ones in the nest.

Had nests in the brickwork a couple of bricks removed, cleaned out once every leap year if lucky, nesting material straw but they used anything they could pick up.

Wood pigeons nesting for years within a couple of yards from our back window never changed their nest just built on top at start of the breeding season and never cleaned it, dropping built up all round the nest and stayed there.

Most birds remove the droppings from their nests.

I believe their is benefit from the contents of the droppings and some of my pigeons nests nearly hit the roof.

As for material they had a choice of straw and tobacco stalks, most nests were from material from the garden.

Just let nature take care with a little help from a friend.

Never had any problems of any consequence

If anyone can beat nature just let me know.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

oldstrain wrote:

George & Morgan wrote:

i was hoping around 14 "

too small for me,you must be able to get the second bowl in the box and the bowls are about 9 inch so i would say at least 20 inch wide and 15 inch deep because you dont want ybs getting pushed out the nest when the hen goes down again because she will before they first round is weaned ,just my thoughts on it atb

Somehow came across a site discussing nest bowls and nesting material was a real eye opener to what different fanciers use.

For myself thought along the  lines of the old brick lofts for breeding for eating.
never heard of any health problems nor loss of young ones in the nest.

Had nests in the brickwork a couple of bricks removed, cleaned out once every leap year if lucky, nesting material straw but they used anything they  could pick up.

Wood pigeons nesting for years within a couple of yards from our back window never changed their nest just built on top at start of the breeding season and never cleaned it, dropping built up all round the nest and stayed there.

Most birds remove the droppings from their nests.

I believe their is benefit from the contents of the droppings and some of my pigeons nests nearly hit the roof.

As  for material they had a choice of straw and tobacco stalks, most nests were from material from the garden.

Just let nature take care with a little help from a friend.

Never had any problems of any consequence

If anyone can beat nature just let me know.

Regards.

 

Unfortunately Misty for better or worse we now live in a rather sanitized type world I'm as you know & the days of getting dirty for the fun factor or even jumping in puddles for the sheer enjoyment scenario is long gone now, sadly.

Just spent a while browsing the auctions.

Would be an ideal time to start up if conditions in the sport were not so unpredictable.

Some very good pigeons on offer, pity being that the best are from fanciers leaving the sport and not all for age or health reasons.

The fanciers of my youth would not believe the mess the commercial boys have made of the sport and the health of the pigeons.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Just spent a while browsing the auctions.

Would be an ideal time to start up if conditions in the sport were not so unpredictable.

Some very good pigeons on offer, pity being that the best are from fanciers leaving the sport and not all for age or health reasons.

The fanciers of my youth would not believe the mess the commercial boys have made of the sport and the health of the pigeons.

Regards.      

Commercial boys The following story here is true in every way shape & form & to the best of my ability to post Misty     of how one should be wary somewhat of certain of the commericial types in a pigeon sense & also normal life in general I suspect/suggest. Have a club mate here, smallish type flyer by general standards here but an absolute out & out champion of the highest order (100 rings a year) have no doubt as such. Now the man I'm about to talk about here shortly in a commercial type sense, 20 years ago he said, was as thick as a brick in the brain department (his words     not mine) & he is still the same even today, unfortunately. Now no names type thing but as strange as it is by chance, he actually runs a local one loft race would you believe down here & has written a glowing testimonial on the internet of a magic type potion he actually uses in his loft 5 days per week x 52 type thing apparently for his 1000 plus birds (more likely 1500 plus birds truth be told) anyway this magic potion, so to speak has a recommended dose rate of 10mls per 2-5 litres of water by the speel of being a wonder type thing. So the following is my maths at work to the best of my ability here in my old age as such. Pigeon on average, perhaps drinks 40mls per day. 1000 birds drink, 40,000mls, divide by 1000 equals 40 litres type thing. 10mls per 2.5 litres of magic potion, means he uses maybe 15/16 litres of potion water there on average every day, perhaps. Magic potion here for the normal man is around 25 dollars per litre bottle as such. 15/16 x 2.5 = 40 divided into a normal litre bottle, means around perhaps 25 days of magic wonder potion per bottle, maybe with his normal weekly regime x 52 weeks as suggested, means he is actually apparently using around 25 odd bottles there per year by my reckoning at 25 dollars, which means if I'm roughly correct with my thinking process (Could be up the creek, no end I'm   being but a simple plumber type) maybe 600 odd type dollars on just one magic potion there etc if one is to simply believe his speel every year In the end I would bet my house here without a doubt, that he has much more in the cabinet type thing there for when it rains in a pigeon type sense & the s***e hits the fan as we all know it does at times these days sadly & the commercial type boys go out to a degree to fleece the flock in different ways & to simply perhaps make money     End of the day here         & story. Up to others to make the final judgement here I suspect     as if an out & out champion   knew what he was actually suggesting, or a pathetic old tragic plumber type knew actually how to perhaps tell as story     & spell       or a wizard running a one loft race, was actually maybe somehow talking through his A**e perhaps, maybe type thing to a certain degree   .

......so I guess you don't really trust him knackered ??

Thinking back to my youth with the pigeons, had them from nearly when i could walk as pets and started in a more serious way when at secondary school along with several friends.

Lived in a mining village where many miners were devout pigeon fanciers.

We had our own races by bus until old enough to join a club.

But what is obvious is the manner in which our sport has been ruined.

There was few diseases of any consequence and those easily treated.

The aids to win were few and far between.

Old Hand and one or two odd balls offering pills but nothing of any consequence.

Remember Johnsons Iron Tonic being around but fanciers made their own concoctions from nearly every vegetable and vegetation available and in general terms they worked regarding health and there were very few losses.

Pigeons were winning nearly into their teens ( today they retire yearlings into stock to sell the young)

Fanciers rarely changed their pigeons most had what you could call their own breed.

Pigeons were capable of flying from Rome, today many cannot return from a mile |(including some supposedly off the best)

But what is a real sickener that just about weighs up the the sport. we have not a few but enough specifics and aids to win to fill a chemists shop three time over along with cures for self inflicted illnesses and polished corn that in all probability
has had benefits polished out.

What we have now is not good fanciers and good pigeons but bad fanciers who think they know all the cures for the sports ills that in all probability the have caused in the first place by going against nature and stuffing a load of rubbish down their throats.

SAD very SAD.

Regards.

barnie wrote:

......so I guess you don't really trust him knackered ??  

Well don't quite know here if that's quite right etc Colin He wouldn't want my pigeons & certainly wouldn't his type of thing all things considered, unless I somehow craved a short season as such down here. Now getting back to that word "TRUST" Years ago here, the man in question had a nearby close neighbour. Now runs another one loft race down here in another area to the north of town type thing. Gardner type bloke he was, living in black fella type country from my perspective & well hiding type thing from all his neighbours then, back when. Had a wonderful veggie plot/patch there at one time in his rather large yard & so much so it was the talk of the town to a degree with many locals making purchases by all reports only problem was in the end one day  even thou he thought he was rather smart & on a good thing there with his veggie patch so to speak, the Police helicopter  just happened to fly overhead by chance on a bright sunny type day & spotted something of interest in nature in his garden of joy. Subsequently a knock on his door was arranged to his surprise & a fully paid up holiday arranged at the governments pleasure here after he finished up going to court with a legal eagle type & they come up with the excuse scenario in front of a judge & jury at the time, that his veggie patch was Soley & only for his pigeons welfare apparently, even thou it was of the highest class marihuana one could produce & something he was very proud to produce in the context of him looking after the best interests & welfare of his pigeons there at the time. End of the day here Colin. Trust is always debatable I suggest in a one loft race type sense I suspect & from my general experience local here I somehow tend to go along with the man that said (being an ex-sergeant at arms in the police force) for many years & my old toss partner here many years ago, back when. Certain folk are as thick as a brick in the brain department unfortunately, as sad as it is type thing, unfortunately .

Think you get rouges in every department of life human nature knows no bounds.

As for drugs, millions if not billions of pounds is said to be involved in drugs in this country.

Question, drugs are apparently not cheap, so who is actually taking all these drugs and are they holding positions of importance and off their rocker in performing their duties.

The woman heading the enquiry into Borris fiddled her expenses regarding her daughter, her husband put pornagraphic material on his expenses and she is not made accountable but is allowed to chair the enquiry into Borris.

Think everyone has something on everyone in politics and if you do this we will do that syndrome.

Cummings a typical example, he defied the ban on travel, causing others to do the same and ultimately responsible for the breakdown why on earth has he not been jailed, me thinks he has something on many that would end up there themselves.

Whole thing stinks.

People starving on the streets, billions spent on enquiries the results of which will be meaningless.

World gone mad.


Regards.

The OL I am keeping an eye on for a bit of interest where of 2347 entries one fancier has 107.

To date numbers down to 1475 but hey they are at 22 km.

So, so far, lost only 872.

Looked name of fancier up on results of training so far and he is not doing too good
maybe playing the numbers game not a good idea, to me will be very interesting.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

The OL I am keeping an eye on for a bit of interest where of 2347 entries one fancier has 107.

To date numbers down to 1475 but hey they are at 22 km.

So, so far,  lost only 872.

Looked name of fancier up on results of training so far and he is not doing too good
maybe playing the numbers game not a good idea, to me will be very interesting.

Regards.

 

So what your basically saying is is all looking normal type thing & most of the birds there now can look forward to an early type retirement etc maybe, perhaps .

Been attempting by by every means possible to find out the actual membership of the RPRA including wether they are flying members or not.

No chance.

The RPRA says 22,000 on the RPRA site but that is a load of bull.

The income from the subs on the latest balance sheet indicate less than 10,000. or 10,000 or more have not paid their subs.

Lost thousands of members over the past ten years or so.

Would be nice to have the facts, the subs income will have been verified by the independent auditors.

Regards.