best all time positions.

thanks john,i hope they do ok for who ever,plus the ones i,m giving away

hoo ever gets them i can asure them they will be quality birds am glad we still have the 1 left and she looks better this year as well as a yearling filled out more

nice ch wtflt in your avater john, is it a R & W ?

no david thats my family of vandabelles hes been 3 times 483 miles going to stock next year good young birds off him as well

ah right, have these flown well for you this season then john...?

a mixture david every week i had a diverant bird back first so thats a good thing took them in for middle distance

yes i think ken has some of these and i know mark certainly has so they are decent birds ok, and as you say would be middle distance i think........so its done well flying 483 miles hasnt it.

the man i bought them from has had them at 580 miles david thats in england

just goes to show then john that some breeds/strains will fly and do well at all distances eh...?

yes david the vandabelles are a good pigeon at all club levels and great for cross

i read about M & D Evans`s vandenabeeles winning all the time. i think this is where mark has had them from in the pasy i think he once said.....

yes 500 pounds each off of uk turbo straight from nest i have two off him in stock loft now this is second year coming up now since i had them uk turbo is 12 or 13 now so he put price up this year to 500 pounds each all sold

i wouldnt dare let them out of the loft at that sort of money john, £30 is about my limit for a pigeon...............

stock only david trust me they wont get out same as my other 14 pair

dont blame you john, best way, introduce new , good blood and breed from them.....

yes they all ready topping feds

did you get rid of those louella janssens you had john...?

yes two years ago

did they do anything john......

our problem at that time david we only had the one loft.
and the birds we bought from louellas we could not let them out.\
so we only bred from them one year.
and let them go.
so we did not realy test them.
but the roland janssen cock we have we bought from j.a. mellor@ son;s
he is in the stock loft,
he was pair to a hen off of euro. and the young off that pair seems to be flying well.
but its early days.

ah right, ive a few lines of janssens from different sources so im looking forward to trying them this season......

that was the reason david we had to take in some sprint @ middle.
pigeons to compete in our cub.

yes i think you need different pigeons for different distances altho you do hear about birds which will win at any distance dont you...?

david when we first joined the club we race in.
i asked one of the members about this sprint and middle pigeons.
his told me not to get to boged down in this sprint@ middle distance pigeons.
fancers are getting middle distance birds going out to 500 miles plus.
if the condition are right thy will do it.
one of the members of the other club of fraserbugh got a rolland janssen
i think it went almost 500 miles and did well.