Thoughts of Reasoning

It appears, Knackered, that the nutters are running afairs in many countries.

When oil was discovered in the North Sea we were told we had hit the gravy train, petrol would be 2p a gallon etc;

They were not far out, changed from gallons to litre and a litre is now £1.20.


Roll on.

Regards.

we have been fed lies like this for years, we have heard all these schemes will benefit the british people..........but when it happens it only benefits a certain few, some being friends and families of our mps and government, or even the government its self.

most are there to line their own pockets, tony blair being one of them, that man should have been hung years ago.

David, do not realy believe in capital punishment but in n Blairs case hanging would be two easy for him and his wife is no better she has made millions from legal aid etc;


Regards.

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Don't quite know about the Bang, bang theory as such Misty But Go up country here on a bright night & marvel at all the universe above with all the stars in there glory as such there     & I do question to a degree, how one man could have just created such a magic glorious type event etc     . [/quote]

A man?

 Sorry, it was a vastly intelligent and almighty spirit. A god. Or to be more precise the nly God'
By the way, if one in this scenario thinks of Jesus a god... that is just more of 'Man trying to be self righteous and know all ... they never tell the truth, let alone accept it.
Actually the Bible says that Jesus in a Spiriy form was God's first creation. Billins of years ago. Indeed God gave him tyhe power to create and to create on his behalf. He only took the form of a man to pay off athe Ransome so mankind will get a never ending life in Paradise.

However, taking on board what red dog says 'wish you'd stop with the armageddon thing, don't know if I should get season ticket again or what as interesting as this topic may be to some, I appreciate this is far from so to others. Hence I feel the time is here, or maybe, that any future beliefs, saying of 'God' and his promises should come under a heading - if David so allows - that will show that this maybe of a religous topic. Then, as the bible says, use another great gift of god's where  one can choose to read or not.

For Christians the only thing that matters is that Jesus died an agonizing death in an endeavor to give sinners the chance to repent, have their sins forgiven and from then on sin no more if they were to find favour with God.

Cannot understand anyone thinking Jesus is God.


Agree, if one is self satisfied and does not want to indulge in religious matters it would be better to indicate that, that is the topic.


Regards.

sorry to disappoint , but religion is man made, its a nice thought but totally created by man.

there may well be some superior being who created everything, but it is not how they would have us believe, you have only got to look at who started the story, and who is constantly changing the goal posts, and see what lies "they" constantly perpetuate in every day life, to realise this.

The basics never change, David, it is man that manipulates to suit his purposes.

Had you had my experiences you would be in no doubt.

Regards.

First Dave, I will in Future addres my posts with the word 'Truth' in them. Then one can choose to read or not as is their choice. Or if wanting to answer and discuss / debate.

Well Dave, I fully understand where you are coming from. You have my respect for your views. Your post, though shows how myths and lies have taken hold. Truths took out of context and believed.
Yes of course humanity has clouded and turned away many from seeing the truth and reality.
Indeed I hear most days 'Well they do say'... 'The bible says' and then spout somethings not even in the bible. Not even in the remotest.

As for human-made, well there is truth there. Yet! Scholars still marvel at the writings. The prophecies, how science backs up the bible. Amazed how 66 different writers over 3000 years still endorse and speak the same language WITHOUT contradictions. Yes, man twists and turns to self-promotion/ appraisals etc. Some time due to the lack of knowledge and ignorance. Often with down right lies.
Indeed, you are right regards the lies and deceit of Christendom and false religions. It becomes straight forward and too easy to boo - hoo and wave away their' stupidities and blame the boss for corrupt managers selfish stupidity.

Truths we never hear from the churches. Christendom etc. They have their' own agenda, currupt and lying ways of self importance as it is. I know 10 year olds that the priests / fathers etc. couldn't hold their' own with …. Especially if talking truths regarding the bible.

We can hear and see Elvis, likewise very many others, though they are a long time dead. These laws that make it possible are of course part and partial to the well being of the earth and mankind. The dead are in God's memory.

How and why did it go wrong?
What and why are the happenings in the past and today.
Just why did a super power, an almighty spirit of love, create a heaven and earth. He created man to live forever in a world of paradise? Earth that belongs to mankind!

GOD created the earth to be mankind’s perfect home. His Word states: 'To Jehovah the heavens belong, but the earth he has given to the sons of men'. —Psalm 115:16.

Isaiah 45:18 Clearly, God “did not create [the earth] simply for nothing, but formed it even to be inhabited'.
Then Isiah 11. 6 onward says … The wolf will reside for a while with the lamb, And with the young goat the leopard will lie down,And the calf and the lion , and the fattened animal will all be together And a little boy will lead them. 7. The cow and the bear will feed together,And their' young will lie down together. The lion will eat straw like the bull. 8. The nursing child will play over the lair of a cobra,And a weaned child will put his hand over the den of a poisonous snake. 9 They will not cause any harm, Or any ruin in all my holy mountain.

No tears, no fears, no illnesses and no death.

Revelation 21. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them.4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.i The former things have passed away'. 5 And the One seated on the throne (God, Jesus's father) said: “Look! I am making all things new'. Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful* and true'. 5:28,29
28.Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29. and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. 'There is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous'.

Why is it that mankind still can't understand why the human body breaks down and die. After all it completely renews its self every 7 years. … Why does it happen, and matter. that we grow old and die. Was this always meant to be so?
Jesus resurrected at least three persons, thus demonstrating that there is hope for the dead. (Luke 7:11-17; 8:49-56; John 11:1-45) To understand the hope for the dead, we must first comprehend the cause and origin of death. His aposles, in Gods name very many more.
His healing the sick, the lame, lepers etc. was the showing of what Jesus will do when his father gives him the power in God's kingdom. Manmy more were also brought back to life.

Next part I will put up the 'Bibles theme' if of an interest.

David, Leave religion and anything previous out of the matter for a different consideration.

Just look at the state of the world today, can any sensible person think that the world as a whole can survive total ruination without devine intervention?.

There has never been a weapon created that has not ultimately been used, there has never been a prolonged period when world powers have not had differences that have led to war, there are indeed many wars of a lesser than castrasrofic nature relative to world wars presently taking place.

It is only a matter of time when and not if, there is conflict on a world scale where the result can only leave the world almost completely inhabitable and those that survived would wish they were dead.


The gentleman who said, "I do not know what WW3 will be fought with but if there is a WW4 it will definately be fought with sticks and stones". (I always say I am quoting some one else not claim it as my own) this was before even the atomic bomb and we now have weapons that make the atom bomb look less than a hand grinade.

History itself indicates the world is heading towards another world war, we in this country cannot even deal with Brexit never mind world affairs.

I feel people should wake up and smell the ensueing probable events not be complacent.


Regards.

thing is, no creditable "miricles" happen in real life, like they supposedly did in the bible tales etc, if you hear god talking to you, you are a schizophrenic according to the powers that be, but yet those same people believe a sea parted, and water turned to wine etc etc .

things that do actually happen are lost through translation and human error over a matter of weeks, so how these so called facts are true after thousands of years is impossible to believe, are these people who are making these claims telling the truth, telling what they believe to be true......or simply just lying.

Many parts of history regarding the Bible have been well and truly substantiated by historians.

You cannot deny the existing circumstances the world finds it's self in they are self evident to anyone.

So if you follow history that has been confirmed by those educated to investigate it all fits in to what the Bible says, right up to date, and no one with an open and receptive brain and mind would or could deny the fact that today is exactly as foretold thousands of years ago.

So there is ample evidence to substantiate what the Bible says leading up to the present day.

Do you honestly think, David, that there will not be another war to end all wars, irrespective of any other consideration?.


Natural recourses are running out, populations increasing, false religions running rampant over other false religions etc;

Come on, David, just give it a try you cannot lose anything and maybe gain a lot, you cannot condemn when you have not properly investigated.

Regards.

David wrote:

thing is, no creditable "miricles" happen in real life, like they supposedly did in the bible tales etc, if you hear god talking to you, you are a schizophrenic according to the powers that be, but yet those same people believe a sea parted, and water turned to wine etc etc .

things that do actually happen are lost through translation and human error over a matter of weeks, so how these so called facts are true after thousands of years is impossible to believe,  are these people who are making these claims telling the truth, telling what they believe to be true......or simply just lying.

Agree with that. So what is left? Stick to pigeons/animals/Gods creations and forget the origin. Be happy with what is. Future will happen obviously, many things will change. Really who cares? Heaven or Hell. One will know when they get there. Perks or no perks. Same thing. Dead is dead. Fantazise before dying.

David wrote:

thing is, no creditable "miricles" happen in real life, like they supposedly did in the bible tales etc, if you hear god talking to you, you are a schizophrenic according to the powers that be, but yet those same people believe a sea parted, and water turned to wine etc etc .

things that do actually happen are lost through translation and human error over a matter of weeks, so how these so called facts are true after thousands of years is impossible to believe,  are these people who are making these claims telling the truth, telling what they believe to be true......or simply just lying.

This is all getting beyond me here David suggest I will just do the Trump thing etc & put every thing in the fake news box as such .

Just thought it may be helpful to point out we have another entity called Satan, a real little Devil.


Far easier to confuse and offer easier but more pleasurable but soul destroying alternatives, than learn and live by the truth.


Closed minds are not open to rational thinking.


Regards.

programed minds are not open to rational thinking either misty............

father Christmas is real when we are children, but then we see he is just a creation to make us spend more money, when I was a youngster I thought the moon was made of cheese, then realised it wasn't true........

Dave, you say' ....programmed minds are not open to rational thinking either misty............' How very right, and just what perspectives do you adhere?
Further, your example, father Christmas is real when we are children, but then we see he is just a creation to make us spend more money when I was a youngster I thought the moon was made of cheese, then realised it wasn't true........

We are ALL institutions from a very early age that's for sure. Moreso as we age. But by then one can put another side to such.
From the start, young girls know the smile for Daddy to get their 'own' way when mummy has so 'No' as such. Kids start school and are separated into numbers 1 - 4 / Later names. Then the cubs/ scout / girl guides etc. By Names of creatures. Schools famous or well known local characters etc. All the time a little 'one-upmanship to be better than them is the end product!
Schools against schools, parts of villages against another area. Towns, V T against a town. Counties V Counties, Cities against cities. All within the hidden proviso of 'We are Better' Syndrome. Then against countries!
This was instituted and bourne out after the first world war. It is to feed the mind. Eat Beetroot long enough, and you turn red syndrome. Hence the scouts. All government instigated.
Likewise Religion. Accountable for mass murders. Rapes, pillaging, tortures and lies. No wonder the masses - especially now - after seeing the truth have very little to no respect for them
None sing from the same hymn book. Ask a priest or vicar a bishop a question regards a religious element and another of the same ilk 5 miles away, and you get different home and answers. Just a glib tongue tickling of your ear.- Go anywhere in the world and ask any J.W a question regardless of where the same question and you will get the same answer.
Why, because it is what the bible states. Only one god. One Jesus his son. One bible they wrote so only one true religion. Simple realism that.
So Dave, with the greatest respect who and what programmed you?

Let me add Romans ch. 1 V 19. : because what may be known about God is clearly evident among them, for God made it clear to them. 20 For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.

David, when a child, one thinks as a child, hopefully when an adult one thinks as an adult.

As an adult one has more information on which to base an opinion.


Many things can influence ones thinking and opinions on any given subject.


A child is subject to many fairy stories and as one grows up one realises them as such, it is called growing up, in most cases it leads to a sensible person realising that they were to ammuse and entertain etc;

If one studies the Bible it is steadfast in it's messages and prospects for the future.

Not only that but each generation has been given enough information to substantiate the truth of the Bible.


Of course there is no need for miracles today to confirm that the Bible is true, because there are now numerous events prophesised in the Bible to substantiate it's authenticity that have come about.

When Jesus was on the earth he was alone and the only true representative of God, the only way he could convince those who showed an interest was by performing acts that indicated he was different and had the power given to him by God.


Today there is even stronger evidence through the study the Bibles propharsies to substanciate the truth of the Bible, you only have to look.


Regards.

Misty, Paul said at 1 Corinthians 13:11
'When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, to think as a child, to reason as a child; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the traits of a child'.

Thanks, Daz. but I am fully aware of the Bibles content, and can eaily obtain information on anything on earth with a little help from our friend Mr Google.

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Thanks, Daz. but I am fully aware of the Bibles content, and can eaily obtain information on anything on earth with a little help from our friend Mr Google.

Regards.

May I ask Misty this Mr Google bloke etc is he always true & accurate as such with his wisdom in what he preaches to the unwary types or is he a bit like a typical type pigeon flyer is at times     maybe.
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no knackered mr google is not always right and accurate, he censors and edits certain things, certain people don't want us to see or hear.........

David wrote:

no knackered mr google is not always right and accurate, he censors and edits certain things, certain people don't want us to see or hear.........

I'm not asking you David I'm looking for an unbiased appraisal etc from our Misty here, as I believe/understand you are a heathen type as such apparently  .
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yes knackered you guessed right, I am a hater of being told what I can think, and what I can do.....and employees telling their employer what he/she can and cannot do.

ones our eyes are opened it becomes easier to spot every deliberate lie and scam that we are bombarded with on a daily basis.