Thoughts of Reasoning

Mine used to get upset at some of the sorry sights on Paul O Grady love of dogs. Also used to watch the horse racing then try to get round back of TV to see where the horses had run to.

barnie. Always appreciate a sensible answer to question, no doubt when watching racing the dog picked more winners than you.

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David, Knackered, Misty just totally ignores the television can be just next to it turn the volume up not even a look up, telephone goes on the television no response, ours rings barks, knock on the door on television no response, not even the slightest, on our door goes mad.

He is unique to us but there must be reason and other such examples.

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Just had a thought regarding a dogs behavior and put it as a question on Google, opened up whole new world regarding how different dogs respond to different situations, it appears Misty is almost normal.

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Was it was well believed that Churchill actually invested in Krupps arms in 1933. When the Mark due to inflation was doubling by the minute. Autobahns and cars etc. To give any due to Hitler as a Chancellor he was the best ever bar none.
So from 1933 onwards Churchill travelled the continent for a war. Would make him a fortune!
That is why Hitlar always thought Britain would be an ally … Churchill was over ruled and that is why Hess was treated so bad and get a prisoner till hung when well in his 80's.


Try to google that and it was 'Warnings' on every try that a dangerous virus was on that site.
Mind more is being allowed after the 30 year freedom … though of course not till much later


Churchill was over ruled too after the war ending because he want to invade and destroy Ireland. … Never mind the miners being shot in Tonipanda. Rhonda Valley Wales and more.

Mind that made way for the best government in British history Clements and co.

There is nothing wrong in using Google to obtain information, it is not on to miss- use that information by almost claiming originality.

As I have said previously, you can get the information on any matter from A to Z good bad or indifferent and in that respect, as long as not abused it is a good tool.


All history is well documented for those interested.


Unless one is confronted with a situation and aware of ALL the implications it is remiss of others to decide with only partial knowledge of the circumstances.


Cannot think of one benefit going over old ground that has no effect on the worlds present situation.


Hands up all those without sin.


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No hands up for sure Misty.

Why is it that there are no statues or public busts of ANY socialist? !!! All Tories. Even now some want more of the evil Thatcher. Clements, Attley Bevin and more. Just look what they bought in Welfare. NHS Social security for the needed. Schooling for all with the much needed Dinner - yes was before but the Tory's cancelled them... Labour made the compulsory.
Family allowance which meant that there was a money bridge for the needy and most welcome and needed it was... Helped to stop malnutrition of the Plebs. Free milk … Thatcher ended that too. and very much more.
Best I shut up now lol before I really get started lol

a statue of nelson mandela in leeds, a convicted, murdering terrorist in truth, a freedom fighter we are now led to believe by our corrupt politicians .

why do we need a statue of him in leeds, what has he done for the people of leeds.......?

a statue of jimmy saville would be more appropriate ..

Martialling his facts with dexterity Overy argues that bombing in Europe was never a war-winning strategy and invariably caused more harm than good. In what is the first full narrative of the bombing war in Europe Overy’s scope is incredibly broad and well-researched, also highly readable. He tackles not only the wider conflict with Germany but little-known bombing wars in France and Italy, which in both cases resulted in civilian casualties the equal of the Blitz.
He has also had access to ‘two new sources’ from the former Soviet archives, which include German air force documents covering the Blitz and others which throw new light on Germany’s bombings of Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad — an area which up until now has had very little coverage.
Overy traces the origins of the bombing war back to 10 May 1940, the same day that Germany began its attack on the West and Churchill replaced Chamberlain as British prime minister. ‘Chamberlain had always opposed the use of bombing against urban targets,’ writes Overy, ‘but Churchill had no conscientious or legal objections.’ Indeed, already as Minister of Munitions in 1917, Churchill had been in favour of an independent air force and a policy of long-range bombing against German industrial targets.
Up until Churchill’s appointment as prime minister both Germany and Britain had stuck to a pledge not to attack targets in each other’s cities where civilians were at risk. Overy dismisses the long-held belief ‘firmly rooted in the British public mind’ that Hitler initiated the trend for indiscriminate bombings. Instead, he says, the decision to take the gloves off was Churchill’s, ‘because of the crisis in the Battle of France, not because of German air raids [over Britain].’
Ethical restraints which had been imposed at the start of the war became slowly eroded as a result of Britain’s decision to initiate ‘unrestricted’ bombing of targets located in Germany’s urban areas. In a fascinating chapter entitled ‘The Sorcerer’s Apprentice’ Overy suggests that Britain’s Bomber Command developed its tactics for concentrated ‘area bombing’ and the wide use of incendiary bombs by observing the destruction Germany wrought on London during the Blitz.
The RAF altered its strategy of focusing on precise targets when it saw how effectively the German air force attacked clusters of targets in industrial and commercial areas. However, Overy says that under Sir Arthur ‘Bomber’ Harris’s stewardship Bomber Command took things a grisly step further by deliberately targeting German workers to reduce industrial output.
For much of the war, combined British, Commonwealth and American forces lacked the necessary technology to develop the long-range heavy bombers they needed to launch attacks on Germany’s main industrial hubs. The bombing war only really escalated in 1943 when Harris finally felt ready to launch three major offensives: the Ruhr-Rhineland in late spring and summer, Hamburg in July and Berlin in the autumn.
It was the second of these, codenamed ‘Operation Gomorrah’, that resulted in the single largest loss of civilian life in one city throughout the European war. Some 37,000 people died and over 60 per cent of Hamburg’s houses and apartments were destroyed by a blaze of incendiary bombs. Overy cites a German doctor who says he had to estimate the number of dead by measuring the ash left on the floor.
At some point Churchill became an instrument of this power. During World War II Churchill’s loyalty was not to the British people, the majority of whom never wanted war with Germany, but to the small tribe of alien elite that has been fomenting wars and reaping the spoils for centuries upon centuries.
Churchill’s atrocities against Germany make him one of the worst villains this world has ever known, along with his comrade Joseph Stalin.
Senator Homer Capeheart made the following speech before the U.S. Senate on Feb. 5, 1946: Sin-------ave bHis book, Bombing Vindicated, was written in response to increasing discontent in Britain with the Allied bombing of German cities, and set out to justify the saturation bombing of civilians.
Spaight’s contribution is valuable, because in the extreme conditions of war, he felt free to set out the exact conditions which had led to the Allied bombing campaign, and why, in his opinion, it was so successful.
een deported or had to flee from their homesteads and are on the road. About 25 per cent of these people, over e pointed out that although the first bombing of cities had occurred when the Germans invaded Poland (the bombing of Warsaw), and then again in Norway and Holland, but, as he said, these were only limited campaigns in support of German ground forces.
The British bombers were designed to bomb cities, he said, while the “Teutonic mind” never even considered such a policy, and instead viewed an air force merely as a tool to “blast open” a path for attacking armies.
It was, Spaight said, left to the British to “realise the full potential” of saturation civilian bombing, and goes on to reveal that the decision to bomb civilians on a repeated, extensive and massive scale, completely independently of any ground-based military operations, was taken by Winston Churchill soon after he became Prime Minister in May 1940.
Hitler, Spaight fully admitted, opposed this tactic and actually refused to retaliate for over three months while the German cities were bombed, hoping, as the German leader said in a speech on September 4, 1940, that “Churchill would stop this nonsense.”
This belief that Churchill would stop the bombing is dismissed as “stupid” by Spaight, who went on to describe as “pacifists” and “socialists” those Britons who objected to the bombing of civilians.
Hitler then finally retaliated, and hence the “blitz.” But, as Spaight points out, in comparison to what had already been thrown at German cities by the Royal Air Force, and to what occurred in 1943 and 1944 (the bombing of Hamburg, Cologne and Munich—where, Spaight boasted, the fires could be seen 150 miles away), this “blitz” was actually minor.
The German air force, he pointed out, was never used for anything else until ordered to retaliate against the British campaign. As Spaight put it:
“Whatever Hitler wanted or did not want, he most assuredly did not want the mutual bombing to go on. He had not wanted it ever to begin. He wanted it, having begun, to be called off. There was ample evidence that he did not want the latter kind of bombing to become the practice. He had done his best to have it banned by international agreement.”
3,000,000 have perished. About 4,000,000 men and women have been deported to eastern Europe and Russia as slaves. It seems that the elimination of the German population of eastern Europe – at least 15,000,000 people – was planned in accordance with decisions made at Yalta. Churchill had said to Mikolajczyk when the latter protested during the negotiations at Moscow against forcing Poland to incorporate eastern Germany: “Don’t mind the five or more million Germans. Stalin will see to them. You will have no trouble with them: they will cease to exist.”

The only people who know true history are those who experienced it.

Everyone else just base their ideas on what crumbs they are made aware of.

No two people see things in the same light if that under consideration involves matters of faith personal opinion and where the information is gained is also relevant.

Having read Mandellas life story irrespective of the good or bad, he made great progress in the matter of Black and White.

I am just waiting for someone to say Hitler was just a mistaken young man who made the odd mistake.


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Can well understand Hitler being a good man, ask any Jew.

Suppose he objected to the worse crime in history, oh, forgot, it was him who thought it up.

Regards.

just goes to show how goyim have believed the lies of what hitler did, and how bad he was.........6 million jews murdered is still pushed out there for all to see, even jewish historians have said it was more like a few hundred thousand, which also included gypsies and other un desirables

why don't people do their own research into these things, there is plenty of info out there to make up their own minds, without believing what we are indoctrinated with from birth.

might be enlightening for some to read a bit of the Talmud.

David, one Jew, Two Jews, and who decides who is undesirable?

There are many actual documentaries showing thousands and thousands in the killing camps not to mention the actual people who survived, think they have a better idea than most.


Only in the past couple of days there have been documentaries on the television showing the killing fields where Jews were shot and put into pits.


There are as many good Jews, bad Jews and intermediates as in any other race.


Israel will become more involved in the next few years and the Jews threatened but they will never be kicked out of their home land again.


Come on David, exactly what have you against the Jews.


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when large numbers of people are held in camps, typhoid and other deseases will be rampant , therefor there will be deaths, also when a country is at war food and supplies will be scarce , so their priorities will to feed their army, and citizens, not the people held in camps.

the inmates of these such camps were there to work, they were labour camps, and understably some will be worked to death or die of illness or lack of food.........gas chambers simply did not exist as they tell us, it has been scientifically proven.

misty, you really do need to research all this info you are getting from documentaries and television programs, and look into the history of the jewish people, and where they came from, Israel was never theirs....

I suppose you still believe they made lamp shades and soap out of jewish people..............

Perhaps, David, you could just give me the scientific proof, as opposed to those who escaped from the gas chambers and witnesses etc;

Just the last week a person who was actually there and told how the Jews were treated, told her story of the horrors. ( on television).

If you study history, the Jews were separated into workers and those for their death.

Several methods were used that are well documented.

Have you actually seen the gas chambers used? what do you think they were used for?


Think you must be reading the Dandy and Beano for your information if you think the treatment of the Jews was fabricated.


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The only people who know true history are those who experienced it. Misty, you must know only to well that that is the farthest from the truth.
When truth is / be told, many say 'There are three sides. ' He's , Hers and somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

Only truth I believe is Gods words. Any, and all else, can fully take on board what they will, and most like the real truths for many is misplaced.
For an simple example:

What you lent Jim ten bob! Is a simple short sentence.

Where you place the emphasise will completely change the meaning and truth.

What! you lent Jim ten bob! What you lent Jim ten bob! What you lent Jim ten bob!
What you lent Jim ten bob! What you lent Jim ten bob!

Then when retold by someone else they will interpret to their like liking. You, me, and Misty.

The part I relayed regards Hitler isn't / wasn't to pretend that he had any good points.
But A. he did take a bankrupt country by the scruff of the neck and make it arguably the most powerful nation on earth. It took 55 nations to bring him down.
But then again arguably it was the weakening of his forces marshalling his new over run territories and B. being unable to have supply lines for his tanks, food etc.

Strangely enough I lived next door to a German Lady married to a Scotsman. She was adamant that Belson and such was propaganda spread by the victors. Indeed she was taught as much.
Go figure.

History.

The Jewish people originated in the land of Israel, and have maintained physical, cultural and religious ties to it ever since.


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Again Misty you are wrong. They originated in what is now Irag / Iran.

They went down to Egypt and then wandered for 40 years because taking the land of many nations to become Isreal.


Why did they wander? Which brings another truth. They had seen the 10 Plagues brought on Egypt etc. Chased they entered the Red sea when parted.
They had seen the Fire in front leading with a cloud. Had manna from heaven every day to eaat... yet still with 5 days of Moses going up Mount Sinai they disowned God and demanded a Goldern (Metal) calf to worship. So they wandered for 40 years till all who had witnessed the wonders and miracles of Egypt had died off and wouldn't enter the promised land.

Which evaluates why it is so reasonable for most not to believe in God. How fickle and unbelieving one can become so easy. Indeed is paramount. I have no problem believing and accepting that.

Incidently, a wealthy fellow and wealthy mates took on board to prove one way or another the truth regards the Parting of the Red Sea.. So went to the place and with modern vessles etc. explred where they had crossed. They were most amazed finding parts of Chariots, armour and even Egyption coins etc. etc.

Been to Belson, seen Belson, just exactly what do you think it was used for? a holiday camp.


Of course the Germans will not teach that they murdered thousands of innocent Jews, all the bones and bodies found in pits holding thousands were suicide Jews all shot each other and jumped in and their friends filled in the pits.


Of course they did not round up all the Jews the numerous pictures of them doing so along with first hand experiences from escapees are all propaganda, and I am Sir Francis Drake.

You obviously do not look at documentaries regarding this matter the evidence is overwhelming.

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Then you appear to know better than the historians who specialise in history.

By Historians:-

Jews originated as an ethnic and religeous group in the Middle East during the second mellenium in the part of Levant known as the Land Of Israel.

Mernepth Stele appears to confirm the existence of a people of Israel as far back as the 13 century
BCE.

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Possibly was the 1300 B.C. But that was when they moved into the 'Promised Land'.
Again it was given to them again in 1947 Via the British government … so God Makes a Covenant With Abraham.

Abraham obeys God in faith, and Jehovah promises to bless him and to multiply his descendants
SOME 350 years had passed since the Flood of Noah’s day. The patriarch Abraham was living in the flourishing city of Ur in what is today called Iraq. Abraham was a man of outstanding faith. But now his faith was put to the test.
Jehovah told Abraham to leave the country of his birth and move to a foreign land, which turned out to be Canaan.
Abraham obeyed without hesitation. He took along his household, including his wife, Sarah, and his nephew Lot, and after the long trip became a tent dweller in Canaan. In a covenant that He made with Abraham, Jehovah promised that He would make a great nation out of him, that all the families of the earth would be blessed by means of him, and that his offspring would possess the land of Canaan.

Meanwhile, Lot and his family were living in Sodom, but righteous Lot did not become like the city’s immoral inhabitants.

LET’S pretend that it is about 3,500 years ago. We are in the city of Jericho, in the land of Canaan. A girl named Rahab lives in this city. She was born after Moses led the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt and then through the Red Sea on dry land! There are no radios, televisions, or Internet, but Rahab knows about this miracle​—even though it occurred a long way from where she lives. Do you know how she learned about IT. Travelers no doubt have told the story about these miracles. As she grows up, Rahab remembers what Jehovah did for his people. She then hears other amazing things about the Israelites. After 40 years in the wilderness, they have entered Canaan, and God has been helping them defeat any who oppose them. Now Rahab learns that the Israelites are camped just across the Jordan River from Jericho!

Lets also consider:-

Hebrews 8: 26-28
Jerimiah 31: 31-34
Ezekiel 36: 26-8


The Jews were Gods chosen people but rejected him fully explains the position from then on.


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Remember well the Battle of Jericho.

Actually watched two of different views regarding the battle, in fact the remains of the walls have been verified in the area concerned according to some.



Why anyone would dispute the ability of God to do anything he wanted amazes me.



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Visited Israel 2017, wonderful sights modern v ancient. What I quickly realised was how proud it's people were of their heritage. Young people carrying out national service, fully understood why and what they were protecting.
Came across as a race who will never sit back and let others control their destiny. Very organised, and very security conscious.
Good and bad in all religions, I also saw the other side in the West Bank, again not all bad people but will always struggle to live as neighbors I reckon.