Covid Vaccine ...

barnie, we have an unpresidented situation with regard to the virus.

The Government has no one qualified to determine the best manner in which to deal with it. FACT.

So they depend on the independant assessment of those best qualified and act accordingly.

NO LAYMAN WOULD HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT THE GOVERNMENT FACED, NOR HOW TO TACKLE IT.

Therefore best not to criticise but do your own best to help the situation, if people had done so we would not be in such a mess.

Christmas social gatherings and breaking the rules has been the main cause of the present  situation and that is NOT the Governments fault.

Regards.

Misty believe what you wish, I know it's unprecedented but come on, it's not rocket science in many cases.
"You should only leave the house for essential supplies" but right now the length and breadth of the UK in every supermarket there will be the average family unit, mummy, daddy and 2 kids. The kids will have not be wearing face masks. Why on earth should the entire family be there? How does this protect the public? Do you not think if the government really was serious about protecting average Joe then they would have put something in place where only one adult family member could enter the shop, collect essential supplies and leave? Common sense to me, but the government allow this to go on and infection rates go up, there's a surprise

You tell us yourself about walkers gathering in your own area, close together in crowds but the government clearly state you can travel in a 5 mile radius to go for a walk, so you have who knows how many people allowed and encouraged to come into your area without breaking any rules. How is that protecting you and your neighbours?

Any layman can work that one out for themselves. These are the nearest things to social gatherings yet the government is not only allow it but encourage it!!

The Government has leading scientists, health professionals and statisticians at their disposal and have done for 10 months but you don't need these to make your own mind up about what's going on surely?

Believe me it's easy to criticise, even when I do follow the "rules".

Do you honestly think families meeting on Christmas Day for a few hours have accelerated virus infection compared to what's going on in shops and retail outlets and probably Scarborough beach right now at this very moment and every day of the week? What's going on in the workplace, manufacturing, factories, schools, public transport every day?

It's obvious to me the government has only one strategy and that's vaccination, they are just stalling for time right now as they lost they plot a while ago. Why do you think they use every good news opportunity, every photo shoot of elderly and vulnerable being jabbed? This is to promote themselves in the public eye ....."look what we are doing for you, look how much we care." When hopefully for everyone the virus is conquered and things return to better days, I guarantee the current government will be rigorously positioning themselves for the next general election by ramming it down our throats that without them we would have all been wiped out by Covid-19 and we owe them our lives and the lives of our loved ones so "you have to vote for us, we saved you all".

Yes we will disagree on this I'm sure but one thing we will certainly agree on is the beauty of living in a democracy, people can see what's going on and make their own minds up. Cheers.

two good posts there from colin and misty, the whole situation is either a planned re set of the world, which all governments are involved in, or total incompetence by our government......there are scientists who are specialists in virus`s, but because they do not follow the government narative, they are ignored, a large part of government have a conflict of interests re the virus and lockdowns, they have shares in companies producing vaccines, and friends and family receiving contracts for testing stations or contracts for safety masks etc .....

the government are not consistant with the "rules", they close down pubs and gyms because they are not issential, yet fast food take aways and others such as B&Q, B&M local to me are , while the small buisness is suffering, big buisness is making millions .........

also, the governmenmt are blaming people having christmas for the numbers going up, what rubbish .........its recently come out certain politicians and celebrities have been out of the country or visted family, yet joe public is getting the blame, yet again .......

people need to realise, these lockdowns and virus is not going away any time soon ............even if everyone in the uk was vaccinated, it would not stop restrictions, the government, and those who are running the country at the time will keep this going, until people finally put a stop to it ........

it wouldnt surprise me if they cancelled /postponed the next general election, due to "public safety" .

you know who cancelled elections for peoples best interests, yeah nazi germany .....

Was as said in the Blood test place yesterday - due to the covid's 19 was in the 'Council Offices'!
Said to the nurse 'I think you will have this job for another year yet. March is reckoned to be worse, plus another 2 or 3 viruses coming'!

'At least another year for sure. Doctors telling us to prepare for another 9 years!

David I don't subscribe to a worldwide conspiracy but like yourself it's so easy to pick out simple straight forward things where the government have failed to do the basics to enforce some sort of protection in public places.
The whole unofficial herd immunity programme amongst younger people and school children backfired, the welfare of staff looking after these groups became compromised yet as recently as last weekend the education minister was still preaching that schools would remain open and anyone disobeying him would face the courts!. It's not our caring government that closed the schools to protect staff and students alike, it was intervention by Trade Unions and the threat of legal action against the government which led to school and University closures.

Yet now the government continue to pull the wool over our eyes by trying to tell us they made the decision to close places of Education in order to protect the staff and general public!

I haven't the answers all I'm saying is how easy it is to see where we've been let down when it comes down to basic common sense politcal decission making.

If there were not mistakes made in the situation faced by the Government or anyone else for that matter it would be a miracle.

Under such situations those responsible have to decide what to do.

No one knows if the Government and those giving their advice were right or wrong because very few kept to the Rules, including MPS etc;

Matters not who made money, has nothing to do with the problem it's self.

We were the first to use a vacine and you still have the detractors saying the vacine is a farce and will not have it and in all probability be the ones  to keep the matter going.

If you have all the answers I am sure Borris will great you with open arms, if not ??????.


Regards.

David wrote:

MISTY wrote:

David wrote:

yes darren, they will know exactly what your spending your money on, and how much etc ..........they will also turn off your card when / if you step out of line .

i pay everything by cash, yes they may prefer card, but i pay cash .....if they dont accept it, i go somewhere else, if everyone did this, soon enough they will have to start accepting cash again, or go bust .

Me thinks David you have a very low opinion of our leaders.

If you do nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about.

Have they not provided a safe and happy haven for all their subjects.

Have faith David, soon money will be worthless in any form.

You cannot eat money ???????.

Regards.

you are correct misty, i do have a very low opinion of our EMPLOYEES, never forget, they work for us......it seems they themselves tend to forget this .

this "if youve done nothing wrong youve nothing to hide" twaddle, is a favourite slogan for those in denial, who tend to think alls well with the world , and no, our government/s have no provided a safe and happy haven for their employers ........they are destroying the countryone way or another, they should be in jail for what they have done .

ifor one don not want government checking what i do and where i go, we are not slaves, we are free, we do not answer to government, in reality they answer to the people of the country, they need to be reminded of this, and held to account .

Perhaps maybe a bit selective with what you say here etc David on average      when you say your free there & you do not answer to your government as such. I could quite easily here I suspect, mount a case that your not free as you say to just pick the goods parts & just disregard the bad parts of what one could term modern society today . & take care.

our freedon is dwindling by the day knackered, people need to realise time is running out, to stand up and be counted, otherwise those we elect to run the country for us will claim total control........the problem is most people in the uk are complacent and have forgotten these people are our employees, our taxes pay their wages, they have become subseriviant and do exactly as they are told.

the brainwashing is done from birth, our parents register us for a birth certificate, which locks us into the system, this makes it so we are liable to any fines, we have to hold a driving license, passport, we have to pay taxes, it also means if the state deems fit they can take our children away from us.......the list goes on and on, all because we have accepted their system.

indoctrination begins with children in school, brainwashed by history and subjects that suits those in power, they then go on to university etc, where they are indoctrinated into all this save the planet sh*t, and teach them muliticulturism is cool and trendy .

we were all born free, we have inalienable rights, rights we were born with, which no government can take away, although they are trying their very best to do it .

David wrote:

our freedon is dwindling by the day knackered, people need to realise time is running out, to stand up and be counted, otherwise those we elect to run the country for us will claim total control........the problem is most people in the uk are complacent and have forgotten these people are our employees, our taxes pay their wages, they have become subseriviant and do exactly as they are told.

the brainwashing is done from birth, our parents register us for a birth certificate, which locks us into the system, this makes it so we are liable to any fines, we have to hold a driving license, passport, we have to pay taxes, it also means if the state deems fit they can take our children away from us.......the list goes on and on, all because we have accepted their system.

indoctrination begins with children in school, brainwashed by history and subjects that suits those in power, they then go on to university etc, where they are indoctrinated into all this save the planet sh*t, and teach them muliticulturism is cool and trendy .

we were all born free, we have inalienable rights, rights we were born with, which no government can take away, although they are trying their very best to do it .

Maybe, somehow you just defeat your own thinking process there etc David in some ways, when you start talking about having a car license a pass port & also paying taxes to your government. Free for myself here & if that was my thinking somehow would be deciding to doing nothing or pay nothing with those type issues etc .

With the exeption of very few countries I would think all would be delighted to have our system if they could remove dictators etc;

Of course all our details from birth have to be recorded the country could not function without.

We have a fair tax system to a reasonable degree and those who abuse it in a large manner invest it in projects that give employment to many.

Car tax etc; is fair as is all other taxes when only certain people use the facilities and eccentials regarding other activities.


The only grouse I have is when the tax raised is not used for the purpose it was introduced.


There is always the opportunity to emigrate, sure China, Russia, Syria, Iran, North Korea would be delighted to show anyone how democracy  works.


  
Regards.

there is no law that says we have to pay income tax , they lead us to believe we are obliged to, but in reality we are not.......thats a fact .

a driving license is only needed if you are driving for work, comercially ........a person has the right to travel freely, he / she is not obliged to have a driving license.

"car tax", is long gone, its vehicle excise now, and none of the money we pay to the DVLA to use the roads actually goes towards maintaining / repairing the roads, the money is just another government tax, the DVLA do not own the roads....

when we buy a vehicle we fill out our "log  book" and actually give ownership to the government / dvla, this is why they can take it and crush it if you do not "Tax" or insure it........weve given ownership of it to them, we are just the registered keeper, the one who is liable for fines / tickets etc .

Sorry David.

Cannot understand your logic.

Paying tax etc; IS A LEGAL requirement.

Without income from those able to contribute how on earth could a country function ???????.

A car belongs to the one  who pays for it and to whom it is registered, the owners have to comply with all the regulations relative to ownership.

You have to either have LAWS that have to be obeyed and the transgressors punished or confusuion and anarchy.

I know which I prefer.

its not my logic misty, could you give me the law that says we legally have to pay income tax ....?

look on your log book, it says registered keeper, and your name, it doesnt say legal owner .........why do you think they can take your car off you and crush it .......?

yes we certainly do need laws, this country is a common law society, but these acts and statutes our government keep inventing require consent to opperate, everything in life is a contract, we have the choice to contract or not.......its called joinder

David wrote:

its not my logic misty, could you give me the law that says we legally have to pay income tax ....?

look on your log book, it says registered keeper, and your name, it doesnt say legal owner .........why do you think they can take your car off you and crush it .......?

yes we certainly do need laws, this country is a common law society, but these acts and statutes our government keep inventing require consent to opperate, everything in life is a contract, we have the choice to contract or not.......its called joinder

Well David Ken Dodd certainly did not think income tax was a legal requirement and just avoided prison for not  complying, many others are now serving lengthly sentences for tax avoidance. ????????.

A car can only be crushed if the owner breaks the LAW and is not insured etc;
and I agree with that entirely.

Me thinks David you would be happy with a FREE FOR ALL.

The you would REALY have something to moan about.

Regards.

i would expect nothing less, with your way of thinking misty, you have had a lifetime of accepting and doing as you are told, its hard to accept most of what you think is real, isnt .......in this day and age information is easily available, its out there for those who want to find it .

David, instead of reading and viewing the equivalent of the Dandy and Beano why not just look up the LAWS regarding  income tax, which apply to everyone.

The people who attempt to deride our LAWS do it for a laugh and to pander to people willing to believe anything without any semblance of reality or proof.

If you want to know anything about our ACTUAL LAWS that all are subject to just ask the LAP TOP.

Regards.

they made this video in an easy to understand format misty, like an idiots guide to the strawman ........and who we really are , i could have posted a more indepth one, but i wanted to make it easier for you to understand .

again i ask ........show me the law that says we are legally obliged to pay tax

it should be easy enough, if there is one .........

Just put Income Tax Act 2007 and you will get all the applicable LAWS.

If there were no Laws No One would pay income tax.

You only have to look into the backgrounds of the idiots who come up with all the none sense to see where they are comming from. 

Regards.

MISTY wrote:

Just put Income Tax Act 2007 and you will get all the applicable LAWS.

If there were no Laws No One would pay income tax.

You only have to look into the backgrounds of the idiots who come up with all the none sense to see where they are comming from. 

Regards.

you said it all within the first 5 words misty.........ACT

put it to bed lads, politics and religion......yer never going to agree...there again one of you might be a convert to the light or dark depending on which side of the fence youre standing

redrog wrote:

put it to bed lads, politics and religion......yer never going to agree...there again one of you might be a convert to the light or dark depending on which side of the fence youre  standing

you never know rog, i think its a simple matter of people having a different opinion, and being stuck in their ways etc

i was never brought up being taught religion, my school wasnt a religous faith school, so i do not have the same outlook as those who did .

no malice or bad feelings intended by either party i would think ......

No malice on my part and I am sure not on Davids.

We agree to differ because we look at things in a different manner, if all thought the same and all was good ?????.

The fact is that there are too many willing to write and muddle the truth with rediculous claims.

Just taking taxation as one clear example, all taxation is passed by a parlimentary majority and then it becomes the LAW, the same applies to all other matters that one can be prosecuted for.

The law dictates that a car can be crushed etc; when it is breaking the Law.

Without the Law being passed it would be ILLEGAL and a crime to do so.

This has nothing to do with religion it is FACT, there in BLACK AND WHITE.

Regards.

We are always going to have different opinions,  as we do with pigeons , religion and politics are no different just worse.  Most of you know my opinions on both but I won't fall out with anyone I would just move on . We are a good bunch on here now and I like this site and the few that are on it . I could go on other sites and promote my birds and probably sell some but thats not me , I come on here to have a bit crack even if its not pigeon related ,but I prefer pigeon topic to the other 2 by far but I still like to read others views