what strain of pigeons do you have for long distance racing 600 to 730 miles

oldstrain wrote:

i have grooter,commine and some bricoux x sion and hope to do well from 350 to 600 but there still in the nest so will be a while yet before i see what their made of  

Iv been reading old posts,abit like a time machine
did you find out what they were made of ?

David wrote:

hi john, ill be restarting with ybs next season so it will be a year or two before i can think of entering channel racing......at the moment ive only short to middle distance birds which are lefebre dhaenens and a pair of mulemans janssens.

sorry to hijack your post f/walker, just read some of the old posts and I was saying in 2009 I was restarting again with ybs, its now 2017 (just about) and ive still not raced...............

Id noticed that David didnt like to mention it
no point in rushing into things

they came from phillipe martin rp scribe and were plodders, to be honest I have gone for a allround family now the old grooters bred a few tidy birds though they are still here but the others were gifted to a member on here but he let them out and hence they never returned ...my grandfather raced the grooters in the 70's so I kept the best pair for nostalgia theirs a few in the race team from them that came well as ybs see how they go as yearlings another member still has his I think that raced the unc yb programme this season to and came well so see how they go next yr atb

I remember hammond & whiteker had them years ago, i remember
reading in an old squills about 1980ish.

fieldwalker wrote:

Id noticed that David didnt like to mention it
no point in rushing into things

my thoughts exactly walker, I like to be sure, and not make any rash decision ......

I imported 12 Hammond and Whittaker Grooters 20 years ago. Bred off them and eventually got rid of the lot after 3 years. They were dummies! Nice colours.
Dordins do not do good here, or Aardens. 100 to 700 miles? My Jannsen crosses do it. Old De Smet did also. Plus Sions and a few others.

Anyone race pobor pigeons..not sure of the spelling..i think they orinated from old van der espt

In my opinion, strain names mean nothing. Their are horses for courses. Families. All famous 'strains' came from crosses from one family to another. I doubt if any strain today is 10% pure, if that. But to sell birds the more advertising the strains get the better the sales. Try what you have to the distance. If they cannot do it get other birds from people who have flown the distance successfully.
Here is something. Guy from my home town, West Hartlepool, moved to Canada many years ago. He died few years ago. His name was Bill Butterfield. He flew very well here. Especially at the distance races. He re-counted a story from when he was in the UK. His father flew so good he got a visit from Billy Bishop I believe. some famous Eye sign guy anyway. After handling the birds and much looking at the eyes, the eye-sign guy said "With eyes like these, no wonder you win a lot!"
Like Bill told me, he just shut up and left when Bill's father said "I cannot see the eyes. I am blind!" Which he was.

My uncle won 3 Channel races last year with Peter van der mewes up to 500 miles I reckon they will go to 730 And win

Well 500 mile is a good start

fieldwalker wrote:

I remember hammond & whiteker had them years ago, i remember
reading in an old squills about 1980ish.

yes that was my grandfathers source of grooters the grizzles and dark reds did best for him bronze and silver grizzles he also had a few feather leg gits they did well to

We used to race the old Westcott birds years ago which did well for us..up till now never found a pigeon for us to do 580 miles and win..we have brought a few in the last 2 years to see if they are capable of doing it..its a long process with distance birds unlike sprint, but we are looking forward to getting back into distance races again. Over the years we have expected our birds to do 400 anyway so hopefully our new ones will do 500 plus

One of many feathered leg birds here.

Another feather foot. All will go the distance next year.

a lot don't like um hal but I do ....yeah they seem to pop up now and again with the snow boots on I have one here

I asked Tmak from were I got the birds parents or rather grandparents from, about them. He said he does not have any at all. These are basically Jansen. They do perform well. Throwback to Gits? Do not know. But different.

I know some of the old bricoux and sion had feather legs to but then these old fanciers were forever exchanging birds as a lot of top fanciers do today and as you say it makes a mockery of strain names but that's all we got to go on the pigeons at your lofts are as much a family as anyone elses "van den hals"

some of the karl hermans had heavily feathered legs,you had a job getting the rubber off.
ETS rings would cripple them now.

Feather legged birds are dying out there used to be loads around when I was a kid but you hardly see any on marking night now.

We have some Scottish pigeons bred from national and gold award winners that have flown well for us up to 649 miles and some brockhamp birds we are trying taking 2nd and 3rd messac this year

halcanada wrote:

In my opinion, strain names mean nothing. Their are horses for courses. Families. All famous 'strains' came from crosses from one family to another. I doubt if any strain today is 10% pure, if that. But to sell birds the more advertising the strains get the better the sales. Try what you have to the distance. If they cannot do it get other birds from people who have flown the distance successfully.
Here is something. Guy from my home town, West Hartlepool, moved to Canada many years ago. He died few years ago. His name was Bill Butterfield. He flew very well here. Especially at the distance races. He re-counted a story from when he was in the UK. His father flew so good he got a visit from Billy Bishop I believe. some famous Eye sign guy anyway. After handling the birds and much looking at the eyes, the eye-sign guy said "With eyes like these, no wonder you win a lot!"
Like Bill told me, he just shut up and left when Bill's father said "I cannot see the eyes. I am blind!" Which he was.

True what you say Hal Bishop was Flemings teacher was like a god to him etc . Still remember Bishops loft as such, 100ft long & black & white vinyl tiles on the floor there from one end to the other.
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