what strain of pigeons do you have for long distance racing 600 to 730 miles

Rene A wrote:

DAVID wrote:

yes you never know rene, its worth a try isnt it........how old are they ?

think darrens estimate will be more accurate then my guess

the two that have laid is a 99 cock and a 01 hen the other 2 are 97 hen and an 01 cock mate

ah right so fairly old then..........last year my brother bred me some ybs off a 13 year old cock and it was still doing well and most if not all the eggs were hatching so i wouldnt be too hasty thinking they wont lay/hatch rene......

would be worth it even if you got a couple out of each pair to try /

thats what i was thinkin of doin mate i was told to pluck some feathers from around the ass but aint done it think they were just takin the piss tho be honest

i think if you have the room to just leave them togeather and let them please themselves without the other younger cocks bullying them maybe...???

the two that aint laid have got thier own box already thier forever in and out mate think its just sit and wait to see what happens

i got two pairs of stock loaned to me about 6 weeks ago rene, they both claimed a box , built a nest and then both hens laid on the floor about 2ft away from each other..........relly bugged me.

3 weeks ago i was given a hen, she is grandaughter to famous `05` jannsen cock. the reason im saying is because she is 12 years old and i have got 2 eggs out of her straight away.

Rene A wrote:

thats what i was thinkin of doin mate i was told to pluck some feathers from around the ass but aint done it think they were just takin the piss tho be honest

no m8, not taking the piss, this gets done with the old canarys, trim there vent feathers,
helps with the mating.

i have trimmed the vent feathers myself. when i first started i was given some stock birds that the majority were older and yes it worked.

this is just my opinion about distance birds,the old distance birds where plodders,they just went a steady pace but they came home in all weathers in most cases where todays birds may do it at faster pace,do they go on to do it year in and year out like the old breeds.i think that these modern birds get burnt out as faciers even send them as yearlings as well,i waited about 3 year before i send mine to the furthest race and he won,but i only had the one.anyway just my opinion like i said

peel bros wrote:

this is just my opinion about distance birds,the old distance birds where plodders,they just went a steady pace but they came home in all weathers in most cases where todays birds may do it at faster pace,do they go on to do it year in and year out like the old breeds.i think that these modern birds get burnt out as faciers even send them as yearlings as well,i waited about 3 year before i send mine to the furthest race and he won,but i only had the one.anyway just my opinion like i said

and a very good opinion at that
this is why i have stuck to my late uncles breed of long distance birds after coming second open at 727 miles i cant ask for better bred birds you have a good piont there

thats a very good point that ray the modern day breeds are fairweather birds in general but not always it was a pouw bros bred pigeon that won lerwick this year in my club but it was not a hard race last year it was a delbar cross when the weather was bad

i have a number of breeds , jan Aarden , van der wegan i also have a sprinkling of
the shouman (spelling) the american 1,000 mile family they are lovely dark velvets birds
and hard as nails but ive crosed them in to the Aardens and wegans now so the next few years i will see
by sending them to NFC longer races .

they sound nice birds and i bet they do the business for you

tell you what john you have done well to get a good team of distance birds in scotland,you will know as well as anyone the terrain they have to fly over.like i said i think the old breeds are the best ones,i hope when i go back to distance racing i will come across this type of bird again

of course the birds are faster ian but how many long distance races can these birds do,you know yourself when these new breed of birds come across a hard day how many get though.even if they do they are not the same.ask any fancier who has had the old breeds and they will tell you a different story,they may do the long races about 3 ,4 or even more times

sorry put that last post on the wrong topic,just put it right

peel bros wrote:

sorry put that last post on the wrong topic,just put it right

no problem ray, it was my fault for moving it but i thought it was a good topic to seperate for members to give their views on.......

peel bros wrote:

tell you what john you have done well to get a good team of distance birds in scotland,you will know as well as anyone the terrain they have to fly over.like i said i think the old breeds are the best ones,i hope when i go back to distance racing i will come across this type of bird again

i was lucky as it was all down to my uncle and his partner building up the srain of long distance birds throu stormqueen etc yes its very hard racing that kind of distance ray havent had the chance yet but only going in to my 4rth year it all takes time but at least i know my distance birds are all down throu stormqueen that has done it second open from france is some task and shed flown 100 miles more than the only bird to beat her in the open result

was a good bird for sure john, i remember reading about stormqueen years ago and for you to still have the blood is fantastic..........i know they have shown they are good birds already for you john.

yes david i still have all the birds down in paper book back that she was paired to right up throu to the old stock cock i had which was double inbred to stormqueen

I thought I would reply to this thread as I have just discovered that I have a few old breeding pairs of Pros Roosens and Pol Bostyns that I have kind of inherited from my friend here in the Algarve.

I have had good success in all the races over 500 miles and the only 2 over 600 miles that I have been able to enter with some of these birds, the same birds have scored at 250 miles too.

I found an old ledger book a few days ago and I have managed to trace certain birds breeding records right back to 1985 and every one of the top performers is either a Bostyn or a Pros Roosens bird, one is a cross.

What makes this even better is the breed has been kept pure as 2 other fanciers in Portugal also had these birds brought here the Pros Roosens in "85" and Bostyns long before that and every couple of years they used to exchange a few birds to keep the breed from becoming too inbred.

I have been the only one to time in from Dax and Barcelona in my immediate area these last 2 years with these birds and we fly the furthest in our Federation abd in fact the whole country and I am now going to focus my efforts into breeding more of these great birds in greater numbers to preserve the breeds and future Distance racing.

I like the Van Wanroy I had a son of the Black Giant from Ponderosa and Jan Theelan I had a grandson of Red Lady Barcelona, but everyone has their favourites

i have ne distance birds yet but i,m on the look out

My mate Matt Rakes has some in this weeks book for sale but if you ring him up he will sell you late breds a lot cheaper Ray just mention my name mate

peel bros wrote:

i have ne distance birds yet but i,m on the look out

There is a good sale on the BICC website, i will have a go for a couple but like with most sales go to the loft and get them for about a 5th of the price.

i remember picking from the nest at Porter & Richardson's direct from GTXI, i paid very little for mine, the one i didnt pick sold for nearly a grand at Blackpool at auction!

Don - Never dealt at all with Matt Rakes but his pigeons and performances are exceptional