Looking forward to reading all your posts.

me and the wife are like that...

happy days

how long would a widowhood cock stay in condition 2-3 weeks ? or longer or less ? or would it stay in condition all season ???

can be in condition all season but its form you want it in usually stop in form from 2-6weeks if your lucky

yes ian, correct...thats what i meant. do you have cocks that race the full program....eg race evry week...?

David if you can get a widowhood cock onform then yes 3 to 4 week can be about right

But to try and keep them in form longer then you have to use different tricks to make them keep there edge

Must say it can be done

ian, do you give vitamins in the water ? and if so what do you use......ive used johnsons but dont think much to it and want to start using vitamins more often...especially one with vit b in it.

david dont use a lot of multi vits but when i have used it ive used one made by harkers seems ok

is it dear ian ? one i was looking at yesterday was 31 pound!!! seems a lot....dont mind paying a tenner or something like that but 31s a bit steep....

think its only about £6 -£8

ive got a catalouge for pigeon supplies, ill have a look and see if they have it or what sort they have...

david go on boddy and ridewood site they sell harkers vit plus it is £6.86

It is not all about the money it's all about getting the right vitamin

don,just telling ian about some the other day at corn shop, 31 pound a bottle....vitamins are vitamins arent they ? whats the difference between them and some for 6 pound ?

The pigeon manufacturers ronhfreid based in germany have a good muti vit which is all natural yes i know its a little expensive but it will last a long time and it comes in 3 sizes 250ml 500ml and 1L it is a liquid

If i am correct it should have 31 different vitamins (not sure)

David its all about what suits you and your pocket

What works for someone else may not work for you

was talking to fancier yesterday and he said they need vit b....is this right ?

Yes think so not 100% sure shall have to look it up

don, what is the benefit of using cider vinegar, ive read it makes the droppings firm but what else does it do ?

Don't knoe to much about it but a freind uses it in the bath says it keeps the lice count down

the trouble is donn it is all about money thats the sad thing not a hobby now to some people its a buisness , cost you an arm and a leg to race your birds thats why the sport is dying,

your right ian, every thing is so expensive.......when i started last year i got a right shock when i had to buy drinkers, pots/cups for food,water...i bought some plastic perches and they all added up, years ago we made them ourselfs, then i bought widowhood fronts and nest boxes, basket and my loft.....with the price of what i paid for my birds it all came to quite a bit of money....i know we all have these to pay for but it still hurts......
then when we join a club we all have the fees to pay plus our entry money to race each week, corn and treatments etc......so your right ian it does cost an arm and a leg....
when you think of what we pay for stock, do members think we ever get our money back on them with the prize monies paid out ?

you,ll never get back what you put in unless your selling birds ,