Ambition in sport

George & Morgan wrote:

misty what i was trying to say was no matter what changes brought in 60-80 years ago would make no difference   to pigeon racing to-day and there really is  nothing can be done now it is no longer of interest to young people so just let those that race get on with it for what few years the sport has left  

Disagree with that George.

Many decisions have been made against the wishes of the fanciers and against the Rules that have sickened many fanciers who have packed in.

Most fanciers involved their children in the sport and many followed on after their parents were unable to carry on, still happens today.

Fanciers have also packed in because of the raptor problem and losses.

The raptor problem should have been addressed when the fanciers in Scotland warned us what would happen.
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The ETS sickened many fanciers and was introduced against the most basic Rule in the book, ALL TIMERS MUST BE UNIFORM, the COUNCIL ignored it.

This was one of the most upsetting action for many fanciers.

I know because I got many letters regarding same.

The Hall Report reflected much of what I had said years previously, Council ignored it.

In some cases losing one dedicated fancier whose son or daughter may have taken the sport up will lead to continual future losses.

Many things could have been done to advertise the sport and encourage youngsters to become involved, one or two clubs have done so.

The sport George has lacked good management for at least 60 years.

We now see the result.

Regards.

my point is would changes back then make any difference  now and i don't think so people are not coming into the sport Morgan likes the pigeons but he will never be a pigeon fancier if a kid wants a horse ,dog, cat or small animal they only need one with pigeons you need loft ,birds a car and lots of time and money changes back then don't matter now it's a dying sport

Point is George you make changes to suit changed circumstances.

Our sport has done nothing towards doing so.

You take appropriate action towards solving problems.

Of course there is little prospect of the sport lasting much longer but that is no excuse for the past abuse of Rules and lack of attention to the sports problems in the past.

The sport has been badly managed for many years

The fact that there are still many allotment fanciers and back garden fanciers relative to the whole membership is evidence that the will is still there and they can compete but nothing has been done to alleviate the problems.

Putting your head in the sand for past irregularities and abuse of rules etc; helps no one nor the sport other than abusers of Rules etc;

Of course fanciers should enjoy what is left, pity it is so little.

Regards.

David wrote:

even when i was younger there were pigeon lofts all over the area, lofts on nearly every street, now hardly any ......its hard to imagine pigeon racing lasting very much longer really .

a few years, maybe 10 - 15 but imagine how few fanciers there will be then .

Several housing estates have sprung up in our area David.

None of the houses have gardens, as such, nearly back to back as those built for the mill workers years ago, no chance of having a pigeon loft or anything else.

We still have some fanciers with garden lofts in old houses and allotment fanciers but all together now very few compared to years ago.

Funny thing is the sport is thriving in many other countries.

I think all our problems arose when the family unit broke down and women (bless em) had to take on jobs etc; previously male only, and we ended up with it backfiring and you had the likes of Dick, with no actual police experience and some obscure degree running one of our main police forces.

We now have children being used in the drug trade where are the parents? probably many on the picket lines.

Our society is now beyond recall, very similar to our sport.

Regards.

No doubt we will have lookers in to see what goes on, on this site and if there are those in positions to do something for the sport just consider the following :-

After many years of high losses year on year nothing has been done of any consequence to find out why.

With selling the Reddings there is enough money to finance a means of finding out just where our pigeons end up when not arriving back home.

Migrating birds are tracked over thousands of miles, we know exactly where they are at any one time.

The same could be done with a sequence of pigeon races, every pigeon tagged with a means of knowing exactly where they are at any one time, in particular at the end of the race and days after.

May be time consuming but at least it would give a clear indication of where the pigeons lost end up.

Just think send 2,000 pigeons and you know exactly what happened to every one.
no guesswork.

Regards.

Kids don't even walk a few hundred yards to school anymore, every school is gridlocked each morning and evening with parents or grandparents doing the school run.
If kids can't be bothered to walk then they aren't going to be getting stuck in with a scraper or hammer and nails, not interested in being out in all weather's looking after any type of livestock. Society changed so much in my time.

barnie wrote:

Kids don't even walk a few hundred yards to school anymore, every school is gridlocked each morning and evening with parents or grandparents doing the school run.
If kids can't be bothered to walk then they aren't going to be getting stuck in with a scraper or hammer and nails, not interested in being out in all weather's looking after any type of livestock. Society changed so much in my time.  

Yes barnie and they have missed out on much of what life has to offer.

Would not have missed straightening a few nails and dismantling orange boxes etc; for anything.

Think things have gone far beyond the point of no return.

From enjoying all that which nature offers tis all now technology and artificial entertainment.

Pity barnie but unfortunately that is how it is.

Regards,

Not good news.

Apparently two people working in the poultry industry have got bird flue.

Wonder if there will be any repercussions for our sport ?.

Never heard of humans catching it before.

Regards.

probably the start of the next fake pandemic george ..........they always start somewhere .

they most likely just got flu .

You have a very low opinion of politics David and politicians, cannot understand why.

Just wish Cummings would spill all the beans he took in the boxes when he was kicked out.

He was the first one to give others the chance to break the rules. yet we have partygate etc; and he gets off without as much as a slap on the wrist.

At the next General Election we have too bright sparks, one with more money than sense and the other a senseless moron.

OH HAPPY DAYS.

On a far more serious note, how do you get rid of starlings ?.

Never had them breeding in the garden previously but now demolish everything in the bird feeders in seconds.

Regards.

had hundreds now none

MISTY wrote:

You have a very low opinion of politics David and politicians, cannot understand why.

Just wish Cummings would spill all the beans he took in the boxes when he was kicked out.

He was the first one to give others the chance to break the rules. yet we have partygate etc; and he gets off without as much as a slap on the wrist.

At the next General Election we have too bright sparks, one with more money than sense and the other a senseless moron.

OH HAPPY DAYS.

On a far more serious note, how do you get rid of starlings ?.

Never had them breeding in the garden previously but now demolish everything in the bird feeders in seconds.

Regards.

& I somehow thought I had problems etc with my idiot Prime Minister down here who wishes to make our country now one giant Alice Springs I'm apparently.

Thought the idea of the BHW having experts giving idea and advice may be a red herring

I was wrong.

In this weeks BHW there are some good answers and advice, in particular, in my opinion, the fact that clinical lofts are not good for a pigeon's health, something I have said for many years.

Just hope the answers help some fanciers.

Also starting up with youngsters off proven pigeons and testing them and using them as your stock birds, exactly what I did second time round, flyng out not in a stock loft, as I have said in previous posts.

Look forward to their future comments.


Regards. 



  

 
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send in a question misty

just watched a video of everything the late queen owned some was horses ,dogs ,swans nothing about pigeons

local fed up 8-30 brisk NE wind

George & Morgan wrote:

just watched a video of everything the late queen owned some was horses ,dogs ,swans nothing about pigeons

Could just be an oversight George, have seen other videos of the Royal Loft many times.

Personally, I think having a Royal as Patron may not be an advantage.

Regards.

George & Morgan wrote:

send in a question misty

Thinking about it George.

Just checking the Law on libel.

Regards.

ybs i have  at local loft now has a tracker will he be able to use it racing

Would think George he could send one of his own birds with a tracker on but would need permission from other fanciers to put one on them.

Not realy know much about them George but cannot be detrimental as very small birds have them and fly thousands of miles.

Be very interesting, but think more than one needs to be involved, would love to follow a full race with every pigeon tagged.

Think would be a real eye opener.

Regards.

he has just told me he thinks so but rings cost £50 each

George & Morgan wrote:

he has just told me he thinks so but rings cost £50 each

£50 a bit steep for a fancier George but could presumably use it until the pigeon  is lost and where it ends up what way it decides to take certain ways back etc;

The RPRA could have done this instead of having useless meetings with MPs etc;

Regards.

he only uses it for training after large number of old bird loses

George & Morgan wrote:

he only uses it for training after large number of old bird loses

Point is George just one pigeon can only tell a fraction of what happens overall.

You need every pigeon tagged to give a clear picture.

Just think George, you could know exactly where every pigeon ended up and which way the majority took to get back, also where the losses ended up.

But then why not just live on theories and not spoil the commercial elements sport, taking fanciers for a ride.

Regards.

thinking misty pay £200 or my 4